Murder in the Alps
It is now nearly ten years since the notorious killing of four people in the remote mountain layby near Chevaline in the French Alps. Despite many unsuccessful lines of enquiry and alleged culprits and conspirators, no one has been charged or convicted of the crime.
The British TV channel, Channel Four, has recently screened three programmes about the event that happened on the 5th September, 2012. It is but the latest of many over the years by a variety of stations in a variety of countries, none of which it appears to me have asked the penetrating questions or focused on the central issues. By and large they all are descriptive in nature and largely repeat the official narrative.
In one respect the Channel Four differed in that it gently criticised the French Prosecutor for obsessing over one theory and suspect - the victim's brother - rather than keeping an open mind to all possibilities, including that the French victim could have been the target, rather than the English family of the Al Hilli's.
This may have some credence, but in a case oozing mystery and misinformation, this may also be yet another ruse to confuse and mislead. Such a precise military style killing, if only one person was the target, would have killed only one person. I do not believe this type of killer would have targeted three other adults and injured a child just because they happened to be there. Any explanation has to involve all the victims. I have always believed that an assignation between the parties and others was always the most logical explanation as is the certainty that it could not have been carried out without the collaboration of unidentified secret state assets.
Prompted by the programme and the up-coming tenth anniversary of these tragic events, I reproduce an article I wrote at the time. Subsequent events and revelation reinforce, rather than undermine the thrust of its argument.
See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
The Logo Phere Weekly, October 5, 2012
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“After the idiot French cops left that little 4 year old girl, Zeena, hiding in the car for 8 hours, it is clear they are too dull to have a hope in hell of solving this thing, just as they were too dull to solve Lady Di’s murder.” — The Gutter Grunt
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The Unanswered Questions Surrounding
the Al Hilli Murders – by Tim Veater
Oct 05.2012
The mystery surrounding the murder of four adults and the
near-fatal shooting of a little girl in a remote French forest
lay-by, raise many, as yet, unanswered questions.
Not only as to the obvious ones of who carried it out and why, but
also relating to the official governmental response, apparent
conflicting reports by those concerned and a failure on the part of
the press to adequately challenge and independently investigate.
Already the story has slipped from front page, via inside page, to
nowhere at all, which no doubt will please some. The Annecy
prosecutor has even suggested it will not be solved for a decade!
Eric Maillaud, admitted that French police are nowhere near
finding the killers, have no clear motive and no suspect.” Asked
when the crime might be solved, he responded: “We might have the
answers in two, three or ten years – it’s a painstaking procedure.”
This would appear to be a clear case of an official attempt to damp
down speculation and expectation.
If, as in the view of some, this was a very professional operation, it
raises far wider implications than the already serious murder of four
adults. If the public cannot be confident in state revelation and
transparency in such cases, it can only rely on an independent and
investigative press. So far the press has failed miserably; prepared
only to act as a conduit of official briefings; failing to question,
challenge or even point out the inconsistencies and get
explanations for them. It is something that is attempted below.
1.
The French authorities suggested initially, it was
coincidental, impromptu, chance event – a robbery perhaps
that had gone wrong. I don’t believe any police or
government official could have genuinely held this view in
light of the circumstances, namely the “professional” head
shots; all killed; nothing stolen; the effective, unseen
get-away. Then further doubt was added as to whether the
cyclist or the Al Hilli’s were the intended target. However in
both scenarios it was suggested the second party was killed for
“being in the wrong place at the wrong time” thus skilfully
avoiding the possibility that both might have been, as this
would have wider implications of conspiracy.
2.
As corollary to this, the way the obvious suggestion of
criminal or state backed assassination was avoided. John
O’Connor, former head of Scotland Yard’s Flying Squad, told
The Sunday Times “These murders were carried out by killers
with the precision and planning that comes with military
training, which normally points to a political assassination”.
The fact that this possibility has been obdurately avoided
puzzling and worrying as it suggests cover-up.
3.
The time it took for the French police to discover four year
Zeena hidden and catatonic in the car – i.e. more than eight
hours. Perhaps the failure could initially be explained in
terms of not interfering with the crime scene, but eight hours
to make enquiries to discover there were two daughters on
the trip and one was still missing? Further what appears as a
rather amateurish approach to the crime scene with no
evidence of a finger tip search, of opening up to the press
before closing it off again for further investigation when it had
been contaminated. Aerial photographs show the boot door
open despite the doors reportedly being locked. In one aerial
photograph, tyre skid marks can be seen far to the right of the
BMW. A reporter on the scene stated that broken glass was
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“fifteen” yards distant from the car, presumably because this
marks where the first shots were fired before the car reversed
into the bank? These facts have never been officially
referred to or properly discussed in the press. Why? A
reporter said that a motor bike track had been left in an
adjoining mountain track which presumably could have been
an alternative escape route? Given the on-going nature of
the enquiries, why was permission given to the family to bury
M. Mollier, rather than retain his body under refrigerated
conditions, in case it was needed for further inspection?
4.
The flatly inaccurate and misleading information put out
initially by the French authorities that the emergency call
informing them of the incident was made by the British
cyclist, later identified as Brett Martin. In fact Mr. Martin
said he could get no signal on his mobile phone and that he
had to leave the scene and injured Zainab, to get help. The
call was eventually made by a French national, Phillipe
Didierjean. There is no way a Frenchman, speaking in
French from his own mobile phone could have been
confused with Englishman Mr. Martin, who clearly is not
fluent in French. This therefore must have been intentional
misinformation, perhaps to protect M. Didierjean who was
not even acknowledged for several days. Mr. Martin stated
that Mr. Mollier overtook him on his bike, yet was dead by
the time he reached the scene. Mr. Martin and Mr. Mollier
were apparently known to each other, being members of the
same French cycling club, yet there is no suggestion of
recognition in his statements, which to say the least, is
surprising.
5.
It would appear from the reports, that the initial telephone
call to police was at 3.48 pm. Yet M. Didierjean says he met
Mr. Martin leaving the scene at about 4.10. pm. Given his
description of events, walking back to the scene with him
and checking it out, particularly Zainab who did not
respond, then walking back down the hill until he got
reception on his phone. This must have added at least
another fifteen minutes – say 4.25 pm – before he could
phone. How can this discrepancy be explained? Then what
of his two female companions and car? Did they drive up or
turn around and go back? Were they witnesses to the scene
or not?
6.
Danielle Polittier(?) a local resident of Chevaline, more than
three kilometres distant, told the BBC that she heard 30
seconds of shooting. If her testimony is reliable, is it possible
Mr. Martin, unless he has a hearing impediment, could not
have heard it, being only moments away. Why does he say
he heard nothing? M. Didierjean not hearing the sound of
gunfire might be explained by virtue of the fact that he was
in a car with companions but what is Mr. Martin’s
explanation?
7.
The conflicting information regarding number and types of
firearms, the number of shots to the victims and the number
of assailants. It was first reported that all the bullets came
from the same semi- automatic pistol, changed to two,
suggesting at least two killers, then back to one. There has
been no convincing explanation how so many bullets were
fired. A Czech made “Skorpion” was suggested. This is a very
old type of gun rather than more modern alternatives, of
which there are many.
Later, the Telegraph reported that it had learned "from
sources close to the investigation", that the four were shot
with a Luger P08, a highly-distinctive weapon, which was
standard issue to the Swiss Army. (It appears that this was a
9mm version – the 7.65 was in fact the PO4) But Browning ,
Glock. Mauser, Luger, Kel-Tec P-32, Beretta, Colt,
Springfield Armory, Mauser, Schnellfeuer, Borchardt,
Heckler & Koch, Kel-Tec all make models that would fit the
bill. The iconic “James Bond”Walther PPK was adopted by
MI5, MI6, Deutsch BND, French SDECE, Israel's Mossad and
a host of other secret operative units, and still used to this
day. The Beretta Model 70 and 71 was a favorite of the Israeli
Mossad and sky marshals, replaced by a 9mm Beretta in the
1970's apparently.
“Fifteen casings” were later changed to “twenty-five”.
Apparently ten of the used cartridges were found under the
car which accounts for the number increasing from 15 to 25
and a number were found inside the car, but the implications
have not been discussed. (Ed. Note. This has finally been stated to be 21! 1.7.2022)
Why the conflicting weapon evidence? Why was the
impression given that the weapon was probably old and
obsolete and the link with “Serb Paramilitaries”? It was stated
that three victims were shot in the head, later changed to all.
The French cyclist M. Mollier was said to be shot seven times,
including two head shots. This later changed to five.
Originally some were said to have been shot twice. A little
later the prosecutor stated all the adults had been shot
“several times”.
This is clearly confusing. Why was misleading information
put out until they were quite sure of the facts? No further
information regarding trajectory or injuries, which of course
will afford further clues as to what happened, has been issued.
Perhaps the French authorities should inform us definitively,
how many times the victims were shot and where; how many
guns of what possible types, were used; and explain why so
many different accounts have been made?
8.
Much was made by Mr. Martin of the “green four wheel drive
and motor bike” but this raises more questions than it
answers. First, if Mr Mollier was shot only because he
witnessed events, why was Mr. Martin, another potential
witness, spared a similar fate? He must have arrived almost
immediately after the last shot was fired, as little Zainab was
still stumbling and the car wheels were still spinning. Unless
the assassin(s) escaped through the woods and used an
alternative route back, they must have passed him. Second,
precisely where and when did he see them? Statements vary
and include both overtaking him on the way up and passing
on the way down. Given the isolated nature of the location
and the narrowness of the road, and his extensive training as
a fighter pilot, he surely could not be uncertain or vague
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about such a thing? However a vehicle coming down the four
kilometre road is flatly denied by M. Didierjean who was
driving up behind. He could not have been mistaken as he
would have needed to pull over. How can this conflicting
witness evidence be reconciled?
9.
A similar conflict of testimony exists over the state of Zainab
and position of the bodies. Mr. Martin says she was covered
in blood, Mr. Didierjean states quite the opposite that no
blood or injuries were immediately obvious. Mr. Martin says
he moved her body away from the front of the car in case it
lurched forward, placing her in the recovery position. M.
Didierjean says when he arrived, Zainab was lying in front of
the car, by which time she was quite unconscious and did not
respond.
10.
No one has quite explained why Zainab was outside the car
when the attack took place, whilst the car doors were locked,
or why the front passenger seat was vacant? Nor has an
explanation been propounded why in such an expert
operation, the life of Zainab was spared. It surely cannot be
explained by virtue of running out of bullets as suggested?
The precise location and injuries of the French cyclist M.
Mollier are obviously critical. M. Didierjean reported that he
showed no injuries commensurate with falling off his bike. If
correct this would indicate he was shot whilst walking
presumably towards the car. Was the front seat vacated for
this purpose? Why have the papers not posed this question?
11.
Similarly amazingly little background to any of the known
participants has been published. Some sources state Mr.
Martin is the sole proprietor of a company with liabilities
three times its roughly £200,000 assets. Is this in fact correct
and what did this entail since he retired from his RAF post,
apparently involved in understanding aircraft armament
systems. Similarly, precisely what did M. Mollier’s work
entail working for the French nuclear technology
conglomerate, Areva? Mr. Al Hilli was apparently involved
in aircraft design and satellite technology. We do not know
what M. Didierjean does for a living but even so is it wholly
co-incidental that two victims and primary witness, had
connections with either aeronautics or nuclear technology?
It appears Mr. Martin left for Britain immediately after the
incident and the French authorities raised no objection to
this despite him being the principal witness. How did he get
back and was he given Government assistance to do so?
12.
A local Bricklayer-stonemason Laurent Fillion-Robin, 38,
witnessed Al Hilli’s red BMW pass, up Route de la Combe
d’Ire towards the car park between 2:30-3:00 PM. He also
says they were not being followed. We are told the crime is
reported at 3.48 pm despite the fact that M. Didierjean said
he did not even arrive until 4.10 and then had to return
down the hill to get reception on his phone. The police
reported they arrived about 4 pm, i.e. before M. Didierjean.
How is this possible? So who did phone the police or are all
the times given unreliable? Why have the papers not
pursued the time line to clarify it?
13.
Sylvie Lecouer, 49, coming back from grocery shopping at 4
pm or slightly after, was nearly run off the road by a speeding
Peugot 306. She described him as a “British” man (we don’t
quite know why) with black crew-cut hair and black polo
neck shirt driving in a panic. This car as far as we know has
not been traced or the driver come forward to be eliminated
from the investigation, which must raise suspicions. However
if he is a suspect, the question remains as to his involvement.
Could he have been a killer, an arranged contact or just a
terrified witness trying to get away? If he was part of a
conspiracy to kill, it would mean at least three persons were
involved, that is if Mr. Martin’s story about the motor bike
and green x4 wheel drive, are to be believed.
14.
A question also remains as to why Mr. Al Hilli went to that
remote location and took his family, yet it would appear,
giving no appearance of picnicking or walking. He was there
for about an hour before disaster struck. What could have
been the purpose other than for a rendez-vous? If so with
whom? With M. Mollier, Mr. Martin, his killers or someone
else?
15.
There have been published maps of the scene but these have
been generally very poor and no attempt has been made to
clearly define the alternative routes available and their
respective conditions and destinations, or how these relate to
the witness statements. They assume that only the metalled
road was used but of course this might not be the case.
16.
If neither car nor possessions were stolen we must assume
motive lies elsewhere. None of the three lines of enquiry
mentioned by the investigating officer include potential state
involvement. Indeed the official lines, of family feud over
disputed inheritance, or violent nephew have the appearance
of detracting from the possibility. However the statement
that the origins lie in the United Kingdom whilst deflecting
attention from France, also, perhaps accidentally, confirm
they know this to be a planned event, not a chance one as
was originally suggested. If planned it must have been
meticulously planned, for how else would the car have been
located in such a remote spot other than arrangement or
surveillance?
17.
Very little journalistic attention has been directed towards
the companies for which the victims and witnesses worked or
were associated. Why? They have remained opaque and
low-profile. Both Mr. Martin and Mr. Al Hilli were involved
in aircraft design, with either or both of the British and
European aircraft industries. Mr. Martin of course was an
ex-RAF pilot and was then involved in weapons systems and
"consultancy". His company Silver Fern (Sussex) Ltd., 55
Prices Gate, Exhibition Road, London SW72PN, founded in
2006, is classified at Companies House as, "Other
professional, scientific and technical activities not elsewhere
classified". Income is limited to about £21,000 pounds, despite
listed liabilities of over £600,000.
18.
Mr. Al Hilli worked for a company (Surrey Satellites
Technology Limited (SSTL) near Guildford) developing
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satellite systems. He was part of a team involved in an
undisclosed project linked to European Aeronautic Defence
and Space. He also had his own company - "Shtech", an
aeronautical business, which he ran with his wife Iqbal and
which had sub-contracted with SSTL. It registered £8,330
profit in 2011. In the 1980's he had been employed at the
internationally-renowned Rutherford Appleton Research
Centre in Didcot, Oxon, where a colleague reported he
worked on a giant particle accelerator, which can make
radioactive material.
19.
Mr. Mollier worked for CEZUS located in Ugine, France.
This centre is dedicated to R&D on Zirconium alloys,
focusing on process and metallurgy. (A question remains
why the Daily Mail referred inaccurately to “a company
producing stainless steel products” instead of Areva’s Cezus
R&D zirconium products for the nuclear industry?) It is a
cornerstone of innovation and is known worldwide. It is part
of Areva, a nuclear multinational, which is also involved
with uranium enrichment and high-tech metallurgy in the
nuclear industry. It also has ties with Eurodif. During the
reign of the Shah, Iran acquired a 10% stake in Eurodif. In
2011 the Emirates Nuclear Energy Corporation (ENEC)
awarded six contracts, including to Areva, relating to the
supply of natural uranium concentrates, conversion and
enrichment services, worth some $3 billion for the Barakah
nuclear power plant planned to start generating in 2017.
What are the chances of so many concurrencies in one
iconic crime scene, at a location that recalls Britain's own
nuclear programme called “Chevaline”?
20.
It was reported that within hours a party of "military" types
had arrived from the British Embassy. Is this highly unusual
response, if in fact true, and why has the press not asked for
confirmation? Did they assist the removal of Mr. Martin
back to Britain?
The French and British authorities must be in possession of a
wealth of information from both covert and investigative sources
that they are not revealing. We must assume they are in full
possession of all of Mr Al Hilli's telephone and computer
communications, via GCHQ. As someone who was directly
monitored in 2003 (indeed according to a neighbours account,
physically followed) and involved with the defence industries and
Iraq, can hardly have been expected to have been dropped from
surveillance completely. Police are in possession of his mobile
phones and computers which must have afforded detailed
information on his contacts immediately prior to his murder. And
how about Mr Mollier's and Mr Martin's phones? What, if
anything, do they reveal? Surely they cannot have been
overlooked? Not only so but they must have details via the
telephone companies, of all calls and locations of mobile phones in
the vicinity of Chevaline on the day in question, including
chillingly the killers, unless they were so professional as not to carry
them. How can Mr. Maillaud say there are “no leads”, unless to
intentionally misinform?
That this was a professionally executed operation, cannot be
doubted. The use and accuracy of semi-automatic weapons and the
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way the killers “have disappeared off the map”, cannot be
co-incidental. Mr. Al Hilli maintained contacts with Iraq and was
a practising Shiite. He was vocal in his condemnation of Israel and
the United States on the internet. He evidenced raised anxiety
over his home and camping location. He went on his European trip
precisely when his children should have been returning to school,
all of which points to a purpose beyond purely recreation. Two
head shots is militaristic and deadly certain. If a state is implicated,
the question is which state would wish these individuals dead and
why? Oh and finally, why is this question NOT being posed by
Western Governments, specifically in Britain and France, or
media?
Governments involved in assassination, and there have been recent
high-profile cases, rely on the fact that the public and media will
gradually lose interest and that other world and local events will
eventually bury the story. It is to be hoped that insofar as we still
retain independent institutions and press, this particularly brutal
story will not receive the same fate, for in the end, a truthful
examination and investigation of crime, however caused and
wherever it may lead, is the only guarantee of our own security and
freedom; the only thing that distinguishes our democratic political
system and a despotic, totalitarian one.
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CHEVALINE: FURTHER INTRIGUE. Suspect “commits suicide”. – Tim Veater
Posted on June 5, 2014 by Admin
CHEVALINE: FURTHER INTRIGUE.
Suspect “commits suicide”.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/soldier-questioned-over-alps-murders-3642574
For background see:
Tim Veater says:
Apparently the man is not Eric Devouassoux, a former policeman, who was arrested over the killings in February and was held for four days but “another man”, who for some reason was not named, although he is described as a fifty year old former Legionnaire. He lived in the same township – Ugine – as Sylvain Mollier the “uninvolved cyclist” who was shot many times on the same day as the Al Hilli’s. He was found dead at his home on Tuesday (3rd June, 2014) afternoon , apparently shot dead, which the Mail reports M. Mailaud confirmed the man died on Tuesday but how this was decided is not described. Normally such statements could be taken at face value but given the deplorable record of unreliable statements in this case, we would be well advised to remain sceptical unless proved otherwise.
Given the many strange co-incidences of place and timing of the original massacre, it is at least worth noting the fact that the preceding Saturday May 31st was the anniversary of the execution of Adolf Eichmann in Israel following his kidnapping and abduction in South America and subsequent trial for the murder of thousands of European Jews during the Second World War. That was fifty two years ago. Both this un-named man and Saad al Hilli were fifty years old at the time of their deaths.
There again appears to be an element of confusion over the written note. Some newspapers report seven pages, some six. To cover the point the Daily Mail reports the Public Prosecutor as “six or seven”. Well if he’s not sure, who can be? It reminds me of the far more important matter of the shots fired, which incredibly, even with the passage of twenty-one months, has never been fully settled.
Ah now to the brief details, the Daily Mail adds that “police found evidence of a violent disturbance”, yet despite this, the supine French police are “working on the theory it was suicide”. So who and why the “violent disturbance”? Do people who sit down calmly writing a last will and testament (for arguments sake) suddenly go berserk before pointing the gun at themselves? Doesn’t a violent disturbance point to others present and therefore foul play? Can there be any confidence in a police force that at least considers this a possibility?
It would appear throughout this enquiry the only thing the French authorities have proved is their own incompetence. The only other conclusion is far more sinister.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2648400/French-former-soldier-quizzed-Alps-massacre-died-gunshot-wounds-leaving-seven-page-note.html
Another strange co-incidence is the fact that the current case in which the British Government is attempting to try two men for “terrorist offences” applies to a period that happens to cover the period in which Chevaline took place – namely “February 2012 to October, 2013″. I am confident the Government would tell us if by any chance they are related. Oh on second thoughts we can’t be sure of that can we?
See: http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/58831/britains-first-secret-trial-what-is-the-justice-system-hiding
Chevaline: Just another co-incidence perhaps? – Tim Veater
Posted on June 5, 2014 by Admin
Chevaline: Just another co-incidence perhaps?
Craig Murray Tim V
Hello there people. Pleased to see you are still at it and been working on organising the various theories. I just popped in as I came across a Google reference and wondered what your take would be on Tuesday’s suicide. I notice several have made interesting observations above so for what it’s worth will add a few of my own.
First it shows our friend the Public Prosecutor is still in post and still the spokesperson for matters Chevaline. This tells me, despite the charade of an investigation and the plethora of what can only be described as lies, not to mention the failure to provide any answers to perhaps the most pressing issue of the presence of the forestry guys just when the murders were happening (both immediately before and after) he is still retained. In any other circumstance such a performance would have required a diplomatic “early retirement” or reassignment. The fact that this hasn’t happened can only mean that he has political backing and given the high profile of the case, this must go right to the very top. It confirms this is no ordinary crime and that Maillaud’s role as the “front guy” is protected on a mutual basis.
Second, as I have suggested many times, both the information given out and the information retained are indicators of what is going on, even if imprecise in the extreme. Mr Mailaud has been a stickler for secrecy, except when it suited him to do otherwise. In this recent case note what he is prepared to say and what he isn’t. The name of the deceased has not, as yet at any rate been released in sharp contrast to M. Eric Devouassoux, the former policeman, either when he was interviewed over a year ago or now. The question arises why was one treated so differently to the other?
Third on the same tack, despite retaining the name of the dead man (surely untypical of procedure in a case of suicide?) the secrecy obsessed PP nevertheless tells us enough, prior to autopsy notice, that this was most likely suicide, conveniently established by a “six or seven page” written letter, which he has no difficulty summarising despite its highly personal, and therefore we would assume prohibited nature. This can only be regarded with deep suspicion given his track record and another obvious feature, namely why, if he was in possession of such a crucial document and clearly having read it with his forensic legal mind, would he be in any doubt about how many pages there were? “Six or seven pages” is ridiculous, it could only be one or the other, and very reminiscent of the imprecision over the number and destination of the bullets at Chevaline. Eric has clearly learned nothing from that experience.
Fourth, I find the interpretation he puts on the contents of the letter without question, highly dubious. He has no qualms about accepting it at face value and does not even consider the possibility of duress. Here we have it is alleged a seasoned and hardened ex-soldier who kills himself for no other reason than that the police interviewed “disturbed” him, because it “made him feel like a suspect”. Really does this sound plausible? OK we know that suicide is a significant factor in PTSD but would not depression be a factor or some reference be made to past military activity? No it is just that police interviewed him. This is simply not believable and with the next point even less so.
Fifth, some news reports, the Daily Mail being one, quote police sources as saying there was evidence of “violent disturbance” yet this appears to trouble M Maillaud not at all. Despite this crucial fact he is able to ignore it and jump immediately to the conclusion this was “suicide”. This appears to be quite typical of his approach to crime scenes. He makes his mind up despite claiming to keep all options open. He refuses to acknowledge or explain contra-indications to his chosen interpretations. He comes out with inane observations of the blindingly obvious as he did at Chevaline (“this was a violent person who has probably killed before”) whilst promoting an explanation before the scientific results are in. This is so contrary to sound practise for either police or legal profession it must point to ulterior factors.
Sixth, there are the coincidences of which Chevaline and associated incidents have been suffused: same village as SM; military background, sharp-shooter, gun collector, Gulf/Serbia connections; age at death same as SAH (50); and finally close to the 52nd anniversary of Eichmann’s execution (31st May – the previous Saturday). These are no more than strange coincidences but interesting ones to add to the many earlier ones. How many are needed before they can be ignored no longer?
Finally we are all aware of a catalogue of murders dressed up as suicide. It can never be excluded as a possibility until all the forensic and other matters are taken into account. Given the extraordinary nature of the events to which this latest death is connected, the inordinate haste with which Maillaud jumps to a non-criminal explanation, can only be regarded as further reason to doubt his role and opinion.
Michael Norton
2 Aug, 2014 - 12:50 pm just check out all the BMW shots. (Maybe I'll find it for you to save you the trouble) See: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html It's virtually identical in colour and shape to that in the photo the likely SM is wearing. Further there is no indication SAH wore such and it is too big for a child. These observations have been discussed at length in the past and I suggested it might indicate SM actually got in SAH's car at some point, when it would be natural to take off his hat and put it there. Less likely is that he would get out of the car without it (if he did) as it was right in front of him. So it could indicate he got out in haste - maybe when an attacker approached UP the road shooting, as we now know he did. If so its wholly compatible with him being shot in the back and falling prone where from photo and blood stains we know he did. The other point about the hat being there is that it effectively disproves an energetic 180 degree reverse turn as promoted by the French as at the very least it would have ended up on the OTHER side of the dash. Or TWO that the car slammed into the bank with any force which would have shot the hat onto the floor. Its amazing what one might be able to glean from an observable photograph isn't it. Now think what forensics in possession of the actual hat could do. It comes as no surprise that there has been total silence about that hat and who it belonged to. One of the most obvious questions: did it have blood splash on it or not? Doesn't look stained as it surely would have to with allegedly THREE multiple head shots within feet. If no blood/other matter staining certain other conclusions ineluctably follow.
CRAIG MURRAY
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Norton
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Jul, 2014 – 7:23 pm ref. that photo. As we have noted before –
the cap, the cap. (The one still on the Bmw fascia of course) Also if
we are talking about the same man, the face he’s pulling, tongue
out etc. replicates a dead boar/animal. It’s not just abstract
quasi humorous but well known by anyone connected with slaughtering
animals – horses even! And his book title, presumably the prize,
“Blink at Wildlife” (?) and “Treestand Strategy” published by
the ONF link him back by a separate route to the TWO passing ONF
vehicles, though we can’t be at all certain they were actually
occupied/driven by ONF guys can we. Given the fact that their
presence immediately before and after the killing is accepted
apparently (Panorama/MI5 leak) without explanation how they responded
to it, one or other or both must be highly implicated in the event
and the tyre marks at the top of the layby. All reports of another
vehicle may of course be a ruse just to throw off attention to ONF
vehicles, or indeed as I suggested long ago, the British back up
vehicle. We can at least be certain that there would have been a back
up vehicle for certain if the Al Hillis and WBM were both working as
agents/handlers.
Worth a read to demonstrate the extent of the deception going on. And as an adjunct, do you really think the chaotic Ukrainian government would be capable/prepared to organise/carry out downing a commercial aeroplane at 35 000 ft without approval/direction by US/NATO/EU or go full steam with a cover story blaming the Putin?
http://inquiringminds.cc/are-mh17-and-mh370-one-and-the-same-aircraft-tim-veater
Elsewhere I contrasted the reaction of the “British Jew” “who had been kidnapped” (denied by HAMAS) with the scare story appearing simultaneously in France, Britain, America, Norway(!) and other European capitals. In the former projected as hero figure and an outrage captured; the latter as a significant domestic risk. Not a word about the hundreds on innocent men women and children blown up by Israeli thugs. The bias is as obvious as it is staggering. That adults with children can adopt this stance without losing their soul quite impossible. Obama has become a caricature. The true controllers now have him in their vice like grip and he is just miming to the music, the music being we have in whatever way possible demonise Muslims (except of course those that sell us oil in dollars) to create the necessary antipathy in our respective countries, to bomb Syria and Iran (at least) – bad for people there but good for our armaments industry etc. Russia having proved the main obstacle must now be ostracised too. And so our so-called leaders propel us ever onwards towards annihilation!
Interesting
revelation (if true) JorgenNielsen
2
Aug, 2014 – 7:38 am. We had the Mossad/Amsterdam/nuclear/plane
crash earlier. It’s a racial trait. “Never let a good disaster go
to waste.” “Never give the real perpetrator or reason for the
terrorism or aggression.” Oil Iraq. Insurance Twin Towers. Pipeline
Afghanistan. Ditto Kirkuk/Turkey. Gaza/gas. And so it goes on. There
are always good people – the majority I believe – in every
country but generally don’t go out killing people and don’t want
to get involved in these things. We delegate to a relatively small
caucus of planners and deciders who have to persuade us to go along
with them in whatever way they can. The fear is orchestrated and
co-ordinated as it was with “Russian destabilization”, “Russians
shot down MH17″ “Russians interfering/stealing from crash
victims” (did you see that crassly contrived re. glamorous woman in
dead woman’s gear???) Iran is huge threat. Palestinians are all
terrorists. IDF is just protecting its motherland. HAMAS kills three
young Israeli’s. Kidnaps Israeli soldier (outrage from Obama) etc
etc Its ALL lies and misinformation. It makes me sick. It isn’t
even sophisticated. It sticks out like a copper in a pub. That is the
territory we are in at Chevaline. It’s the ghosts in the (stand-up)
trees.
Michael Norton
2 Aug, 2014 - 5:36 pm it seems to me neither really do, or rather already do but don't want US to know. This has always been the case and apart from the lies, is the biggest indicator of state involvement. One final twist on the "Mollier cap"(?) as indicator he was in front seat and shot when he exited it under fire (?) is that if we link it to and believe the report that Zainab was outside with dad, then we might conclude that Sylvain's meeting wasn't with Saad at all but with his wife and/or mother-in-law, perhaps removing the elder daughter from over-hearing the conversation. As far as I can remember, no one has suggested this particular possibility previously but it is there.
Another puzzling aspect you may wish to consider, is what we can draw from the position of the SM’s bike. It now appears overwhelmingly likely that he left it at the top of the layby pointing down hill. So was he coming up or down? If we believe the police-supported WBM story that he was coming UP it of course means that he (cycled) past the Al Hilli before stopping, where on the opposite side of the road and layby, turned his bike around ready for the return trip, propped against tree/fence. If he did end up in the car this is obviously very strange. Was it just to maintain the impression he was disinterested in the car until he was absolutely sure the “coast was clear” or alternatively to first make contact with a (ONF?) vehicle parked up at the top of the layby, before making his way down to the Al Hillis?
Chevaline Lies but Why?
I have just come across this article.* It is in French and via Google Translate, particularly difficult to follow. Nevertheless it is clear that it challenges Eric Maillaud's initial and un-changed assertion that the French cyclist was not the intended target and expresses general dissatisfaction with the French investigation.
However I refer to it for a different but important reason: the inclusion of two, what appear to be, official "scenes of crime" photographs that I haven't viewed before. They are further confirmation of points I have made in the past, criticised at the time by apologists of the French investigation. They are also indisputable evidence that Maillaud as spokesperson for the police, knowingly disseminated false information. In other words he lied! Could any more serious charge be laid at the door of a Public Prosecutor in any jurisdiction, namely to intentionally and knowingly misinform the public as regards a murder scene and thereby suggest erroneous events and likely explanations?
Take a good look at the two photos of the site. It is not easy as they are not separately loaded. (For those unfamiliar you will have to magnify the whole page by pressing "Ctrl+" simultaneously) You will see in the aerial photo there is a clear image of what we must assume is Mollier's expensive bike appearing to point DOWN HILL at the top RH side of the lay-by. (Earlier photographs suggested it but we couldn't be absolutely sure) I will not discuss the implications of this as I have done so before, other than saying this explicitly contradicts the information put out at the time, that the bike lay to the front and right of the Al Hilli car.
Now look at the second aerial photo of the lay-by marking up the position of Mollier's body and at least seven spent cartridges. This flatly contradicts several official descriptions: his body was not located to the front right of the car next to his bike; the shooting could not have come from the top of the car park; the shooter must have been above and to the left of the remnants, as semi-automatic guns almost invariably eject up and to the right.
Of course much more can be reconstructed from the observable remnants of the scene that I won't go into, suffice it to pose the question why did the prosecutor put out quite erroneous information and if so why is he still the spokesperson?
The lies may therefore be summarised as follows:
1. (From earlier findings) Brett Martin did not make the initial 3.48 pm call and none of the alternative explanations fit either.
2. The attack could not have come from the top of the lay-by.
3. Sylvain Mollier was not found lying to the front right of the BMW nor his bike lying next to him there.
4. The BMW could not have been reversed under fire from the top of the lay-by, nor hit SM on the way.
5. Unless moved by the police prior to the photo, it means SM must have dismounted at the top of the layby, turned the bike around ready for his return trip, then walked to the Al Hilli car (via another parked at the top perhaps?) before the attacker approached from the bottom.
These latest images (if genuine and we have no reason to think otherwise as they have never been rejected by the French authorities) fully support the line I have always taken, that the official investigation is not only incompetent, it is intentionally misleading and corrupt.
Only pressing reasons at a national level can explain it but not excuse it. We have at the moment a parallel example in the justice system in Britain in which the government is apparently desperate to hide the true situation from the public, and is prepared to break even the most cherished principles to do so. It is the true gauge of the nature of current constitution and what can be done with impunity, particularly poignant following all the flowery rhetoric and display of emotion at the 70th anniversary of the D Day Landings, intended to banish for ever from Europe, the shadow of unaccountable action by the state.
*http://mobile.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/tuerie-des-alpes-les-pistes-148452
with thanks to "Pink" at http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-101/#comments END.
Tim V
If I am not mistaken Intp1
8 Jun, 2014 - 12:21 pm it is possible if you blow the image right up, that the frame can be identified which puts the bike facing DOWN hill. Even the dumbest investigators, and here we are dealing with Frances best, would not have moved critical evidence without at least enveloping it securely. Why even if they did move it would they place it so far away? The only plausible explanation is not only that SM placed it there, clearly at that point not under fire, but he turned it around, ready to return down hill. The police and Maillaud MUST have known this from the beginning, plus the location of the body of SM, yet he allowed/originated the false location of SM and bike to the front right of the BMW. Also, knowing the location of the shells, he perpetuated an obviously false story of the attack coming from the top, not to mention the obviously false story of the reversing BMW. It poses the questions why would he want to promote these lies and why would SM want to get off his bike where he did rather than at the bottom? Could it be EM was desperate to rule out the possibility of SM meeting someone other than SAH at the TOP of the layby and then moving down to the Al Hilli's car, and that the shooter (at least one of them) came UP the hill rather than down? I suppose we shouldn't over-look the possibility that SM first rode past the Al Hilli's to appear disinterested until he was sure the "coast was clear". We have to factor in the point that SM, having it is claimed, overtaken WBM on the way up, knew that WBM would be arriving any moment. Of course the distribution of the shells would, if we had not cleared the enigmatic Brett Martin from blame, increase the chances that he was the shooter! Also we should never forget that even EM admitted another "OAP cyclist" was on scene, who has never been identified. There is of course no guarantee that this additional anonymous person was either OAP or cyclist, particularly for the above reasons we cannot trust anything that EM says. Finally "suicides" connected to this sort of event is much more likely to prevent a leak of information than injured feelings, particularly in a hardened paratrooper.
Chevaline Lies but Why? – Tim veater
Posted on June 8, 2014 by Admin
Chevaline Lies but Why?
I
have just come across this article.* It is in French and via Google
Translate,
particularly difficult to follow. Nevertheless it is
clear that it challenges
Eric Maillaud’s initial and un-changed
assertion that the French cyclist was not
the intended target and
expresses general dissatisfaction with the French
investigation.
However
I refer to it for a different but important reason: the inclusion
of
two, what appear to be, official “scenes of crime”
photographs that I haven’t
viewed before. They are further
confirmation of points I have made in the past,
criticised at the
time by apologists of the French investigation. They are
also
indisputable evidence that Maillaud as spokesperson for the
police, knowingly
disseminated false information. In other words
he lied! Could any more serious
charge be laid at the door of a
Public Prosecutor in any jurisdiction, namely to
intentionally and
knowingly misinform the public as regards a murder scene and
thereby
suggest erroneous events and likely explanations?
Take
a good look at the two photos of the site. It is not easy as they are
not
separately loaded. (For those unfamiliar you will have to
magnify the whole page
by pressing “Ctrl+” simultaneously) You
will see in the aerial photo there is a
clear image of what we
must assume is Mollier’s expensive bike appearing to
point DOWN
HILL at the top RH side of the lay-by. (Earlier photographs
suggested
it but we couldn’t be absolutely sure) I will not
discuss the implications of
this as I have done so before, other
than saying this explicitly contradicts the
information put out at
the time, that the bike lay to the front and right of the
Al Hilli
car.
Now
look at the second aerial photo of the lay-by marking up the position
of
Mollier’s body and at least seven spent cartridges. This
flatly contradicts
several official descriptions: his body was not
located to the front right of
the car next to his bike; the
shooting could not have come from the top of the
car park; the
shooter must have been above and to the left of the remnants,
as
semi-automatic guns almost invariably eject up and to the
right.
Of
course much more can be reconstructed from the observable remnants of
the
scene that I won’t go into, suffice it to pose the question
why did the
prosecutor put out quite erroneous information and if
so why is he still the
spokesperson?
The lies may therefore be summarised as follows:
1.
(From earlier findings) Brett Martin did not make the initial 3.48 pm
call
and none of the alternative explanations fit either.
2.
The attack could not have come from the top of the lay-by.
3.
Sylvain Mollier was not found lying to the front right of the BMW nor
his
bike lying next to him there.
4. The BMW could not have
been reversed under fire from the top of the lay-by,
nor hit SM on
the way.
5. Unless moved by the police prior to the photo, it
means SM must have
dismounted at the top of the layby, turned the
bike around ready for his return
trip, then walked to the Al Hilli
car (via another parked at the top perhaps?)
before the attacker
approached from the bottom.
These
latest images (if genuine and we have no reason to think otherwise as
they
have never been rejected by the French authorities) fully
support the line I
have always taken, that the official
investigation is not only incompetent, it
is intentionally
misleading and corrupt.
Only
pressing reasons at a national level can explain it but not excuse
it. We
have at the moment a parallel example in the justice system
in Britain in which
the government is apparently desperate to hide
the true situation from the
public, and is prepared to break even
the most cherished principles to do so. It
is the true gauge of
the nature of current constitution and what can be done
with
impunity, particularly poignant following all the flowery rhetoric
and
display of emotion at the 70th anniversary of the D Day
Landings, intended to
banish for ever from Europe, the shadow of
unaccountable action by the state.
*http://mobile.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/tuerie-des-alpes-les-pistes-148452
with
thanks to “Pink”
at http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-101/#comments
END.
TIM V 9.6.14 cRAIG
mURRAY Q – appreciated. One thing we have learned, and in fact we can almost take it as a given, people get “suicided” for what they know and to shut them up – for good. It’s either that or to get rid of a “nuisance” or out of pure revenge for past real or imagined. Those that pose a real (terrorist) threat are either arrested or “taken out” unambiguously as with SAS/IRA in Gibraltar. “Suicide” is the choice where basically it cannot be justified without revealing the back story. Unfortunately authorities are too ready to go along with the prevailing theory and you can’t really blame them if the investigation is either inadequate or there has been a thorough “clean up” as with Gareth Williams or Ben Zygier to name but two. Again and again suspicious elements are never followed up. The Coroner is dependent on the police for the investigation and if they are incompetent or corrupt, he/she is reduced to largely futile “open” verdicts. I would say that one of the most reliable indicators of foul play with official complicity, is the jumping to a conclusion of suicide even before autopsy, as in this one. Not even nearly two years of unprecedented police investigation (so we are told) of a notorious case that must have thrown up a convoluted and dark web of intrigue apparently suggested to our friend Maillaud that he should be a tad cautious before pronouncing on the cause of a related violent gun shot death? OH COME ON!!!!
and James T. died in Natchez, Mississippi, on the same day as the Alps killings. The official cause of death was a heart attack, but Lt Col Vinnemann said “we still haven’t had a response to certain questions” and added “we have discovered some astonishing things”.
The Iraqi man was the third person to be arrested in connection with the murder case which continues to baffle detectives.
Twenty police officers are still working on the case."
From Murray http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-103/#comment-465350
James
“My father struck a deal with her. She got my dad a Honda.
‘She
was a dentist but she had to go back to school and became a dental
technician. She was better than a lot of the dentists but had to work
under them.
‘My father used to brag that he had the best teeth
in town. She lived in his house with his grandmother, his grandfather
and his uncle. She would take care of people, she would buy
everything that they needed. She would care take for him.
‘She
was a virgin at 30 and my father knew that in her culture he could
ask for her virginity, but he did not want to do that’.
Miss
Martinolich described her father as a biker who liked to smoke
cigars.
He and Mrs Al-Hilli stayed married for two or three years
and then she left America.
Miss
Weatherly described Mrs Al-Hilli was a ‘wonderful’ person who
left the US because she got homesick, though they stayed in
touch.
She said: ‘She wanted to start a family and her own
family did not want her to marry out of their own culture’.
The attack on the Al-Hillis happened at 3.45pm on September 5 2012.
It is not clear if Mr Thompson was aware of the development when around 3pm local time in Natchez, some seven hours later, he came out of an antique shop and told a friend he was not feeling well.
Miss Martinolich said that her father complained to a friend he felt nausea, he asked for some aspirin then got in his car to go home.
He did not make it and stopped in the middle of the street a short distance away.”
Bluebird
Lets
wait and see.
peter allen from DM updates every 20 minutes with
news. he seems to be in a constant conversation with his daughter and
he already answered my question regarding the timing. So then,
Thompson died approx 6 to 7 hours later.
maybe he had already heard of the killing and that was too much for an ill heart to take ???
James
Thanks
for the second article Peter.
And thank you for your views.
Just some “quick points” from the latest article….
1. James Thompson was previously an “Oil Boy”. Then a “General Contractor”.
2. Iqbal was “a friend of the family” (?) and he met “through a cousin”.
3. He married her “as a deal so she could get her Green Card”.
4. Iqbal was a “dentist but went back to school to become a dental technician”.
Iqbal seems to use the “I was a dentist, but can’t practice in this country” line alot. And seems always to be “in education to be able to practice”.
When Saad met her in Dubai, was she actually a dentist….or “in education to get my certificates in order to practice in this country” dentist ?
And it seems she likes Wedding cake. Regardless which denomination cooks it.
To
take Peter’s point and “add a bit of spin” to it….
….what
if this was actually “a hit”. A hit that was meant for Saad
alone.
I have never hired a “hitman” (there’s always a first time, hey Tim !)but I guess you “kinda” give them instructions….and on the day, Christ only knows what happens. It could go a bit “haywire”. Semi professional nutters do allsorts of things. Especially if they’ve been paid up front.
One
for Blue.
If now it is confirmed that James Thompson married Iqbal
for a Green Card. And James Thompson has FOUR previous wives. Why is
there no record of Iqbal ?
Bluebird
i
wonder about why did the family members never come out with their
story?
It would have been easy to call a british journalist. Or
was this part of the D notice and the media knew all that stuff
before but they werent allowed to publish that stuff?
However, the
family members could have posted on blogs if they wanted to. there
are thousands of different al hilli blogs. hence, they didnt.
They obviously knew that he was married to Iqbal plus they did suspect foul play with their fathers/brothers/husbands death.
Why did they stay silent for such a long time??
One possibility could be that they knew that their father was a CIA agent and that they were educated to stay silent regarding his job.
The other possibility could be that they are setting up a scripted story now. But why? And why now?
Peter
Even back in the days when *the* Jim Thompson vanished, the CIA had a compressed-air pistol affectionately known as the Hush Puppy, because it was originally conceived to tranquilize guard dogs without leaving any trace (the darts consisted in a tranquilizing agent mixed with finely-ground iron powder that would literally rust away after coming into contact with the shot dog’s tissue). Substitute a potent poison for the dog tranquilizer, and you have an almost totally silent close-range assassination weapon which leaves very few traces and causes something that is almost certain to be taken for an idiopathic fatal heart attack.
So far, so good. However, the point of any such device is its unobtrusiveness, the ability to kill the victim in such a manner that his death is assumed to be a natural one. Using it on the same day that a spectacular murder, to which the victim is however tenuously linked, is committed elsewhere, defeats that objective. Why bother choosing a covert, deceptive killing technique, when the timing of the death screams “foul play”? This makes no sense, and hence I personally believe that the timing of James T’s death was sheer coincidence.
Regarding Iqbal’s marriage to this rather undistinguished U.S. citizen, and particularly the fact that she never told anybody about it, that is a rather different matter. Again, this is merely my personal opinion, and I hardly expect to convert any of this blog’s readers to it, but that behaviour smacks of a deep-cover agent building up her legend. Far from being a CIA agent, James T. probably was nothing but some gullible love-struck mope whom she first picked up and later ditched to suit her own purposes – as may have been the case later on with Saad. I now realize that I have been looking at this case with somewhat sexist goggles all along, assuming Saad as the man of the household to be the one who might have harboured the family’s dark secrets, if such secrets they had. Matters have taken on a somewhat different slant now: That “whirlwind romance” in Dubai – who says that she was not the one who initiated it, because she had been ordered to relocate to the UK? The money in that Swiss bank account – did it really belong to Saad’s father, or were those her operational funds, provided by whomever for whatever purposes? Her spending years and years “training” to become a dentist, without ever qualifying and working as such – was that ineptitude, laziness, or merely seriously good cover?
Bluebird
Here is the family connection of James (Jim) Thompson with the Iraqi al Shaikhly family:
The key person is his cousin Mary Weatherly.
Mary
Weatherly was married to a famous member of the al Shaikhly family.
They dont tell his name (kept secret) but on a photo of the facebook
page of her daughter Coriane Elisabeth al Shaikhly there is a picture
of her father when she was a little girl. Her father is a young
Saddam Hussein lookalike.
It looks as if her father died (or else
perhaps he was killed).
Family chain of Mary Weatherly:
husband:
al Shaikhly, Iraq
mother: Judy Weatherly
brother: Truman
Weatherly
half sibling: Barry d’Alessandro
Mary
Weatherly’s children:
Karim al Shaikhly
Calem Anderson al
Shaikhly
Cassey al Shaikhly
Coriane Elizabeth al Shaikhly
There
is a girl sitting on a veranda on a photo published in the Daily Mail
article from today, showing Jim Thompson.
That girl is Coriane
Elizabeth al Shaikhly.
facebook
page of mary weatherly:
https://m.facebook.com/mary.weatherly
check the facebook page of her daughter Coriane Elisabeth al Shaikhly and the photos there. You will find an oldpicture of her father al Shaikhly together with the little kids and her mother there. They keep the name of her father a secret. He looks like a diplomat or like an iraqi government member.
Bluebird
tim v
i already posted everythong including the still untouched facebook page of james thompson from 2012.
he was no dentist. that was a wrong message. he was an ex policemen and an oil contractor. in my view he was a cia agent.
however, his family is relative with the al shaikhly family. and i said who the al shaikhly family is. this is awesome and exciting. now everything makes sense.
Tim V
Bluebird
8 Jul, 2014 - 10:43 pm i've had a quick look back and as always credit to you and others. We are undoubtedly in interesting (!) and dangerous times almost epoch making I feel. There is instability and collapse all around particularly as it relates to American foreign policy which could go anyway with the political vacuum at the top. Apparently the President is virtually disengaged from the Executive and just looking (like Blair) "to be judged by history". Meanwhile the 100 billion dollar intelligence industry (not to mention the industrial/military complex continues on its way with its geo-political goals that we see rolling out in middle and far east, a break-up of Iraq into three sectors being just one of them. Within this complicated and unstable mess we have the historic "special relationship" and particularly between CIA and MI6 which ultimately pulls the strings, or attempts to. This latest "jihadist" terrorist scare was a joint propaganda venture which even ex-chief Dearlove says was overplayed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2684077/ISIS-threat-exaggerated-says-former-MI6-chief-Sir-Richard-Dearlove-thinks-pathetic-Britons-spreading-messages-internet-ignored.html Maybe it was just another decoy to take eyes off the increasingly embarrassing pedo scandal that threatens to drag MI6 into the mainstream and reveal documents ("Not on your nelly!") What! And demonstrate how British PM's, Home Defence and Foreign Secretaries were effectively blackmailed by indiscretions to tow the line? So we have the unprecedented event of 20 CIA (at least) coming over to sort out MI6 under the cover of the Jihadist threat? I'm not convinced. Much more likely they are working out how to handle the aftershocks of wholesale collapse in public trust in the political establishment as the fraud of 9/11 is realised combined with truly shocking sexual goings on, not to mention other events such as France/Germany being pissed off with them over fines and spying. Somewhere in this mix Chevaline fits. CIA has always been a suspect. Nothing we have learned about the Al Hillis or now his wife lessen that possibility at all. British and American Intelligence run through these events like a stick of rock.
Tim V
Never forgetting Q
9 Jul, 2014 - 5:36 am! This latest little revelation is all the more intriguing in the context of over-arching geo-politics. German BND and French Security obviously working together to "apprehend" the Iraqi "suspect" moving into France (or so we are told) Then, "Abra Cadabra", up comes the pre-husband that points the finger back at the States. How surprising just this little gobbet of incriminatory information is released just now? I am convinced there is a little game being played out between the various Secret Services - what we might call "coded warning shots across the bow" each warning the other not to "drop them in it" - it being the shark infested waters of identification and opprobrium. As I have always thought, there are two main suspects, (including arm's length operators of course "Q") with France allowing the thing and helpfully not being able "to find a single clue" as Maillaud was quoted as saying. (That in itself might have been a coded message by him that his lips had been sealed and his hands tied, so to speak, for what criminal investigation has NO leads at all?) So as suggested above by Peter I think, Saad's wife and mother could, as we have previously suggested, have been much more central to the operation. It's not beyond the realm of possibilities that she was CIA agent, drafted in via one of those "chance meetings at the bar" to inform on a British operation. Will leave you to think around this one or I shall be on here for the rest of the day.
At …. http://www.ferris.edu/htmls/colleges/artsands/LangandLit/eng280/TechCommPDFs/thompson_jimthompson.pdf now subject to doubt
“Jim Thompson
By: Kelly Thompson
When Jim Thompson graduated from high school,
becoming a technical communicator was one of the last
things he thought he’d be doing now. Jim took a long
journey before winding up where he is today.
When people graduate from high school, they have the big question of going to school or finding
a job. Jim attended automobile classes at the local community college in Jackson, Michigan, in
hopes of someday becoming a mechanic. After a couple years at Jackson Community College,
Jim decided he would use his new skills and found a job working at a Sunoco body shop.
After a few years working at the Sunoco and starting a family, Jim decided he needed
something to do with a little more structure and support, so he joined the United States Air
Force. Throughout his Air Force experience, he lived in many places, such as Edwards Air
Force Base, California; Oscoda, Michigan; and Little Rock, Arkansas. While in the service, he
took the initiative to earn a bachelor’s degree in Vocational Education.
After a 10-year career in the Air Force, Jim thought he would try his luck in the business world
because his family was tired of moving from base to base. So, he wound up finding a job for a
company called EDS answering customer service phone calls. After several angry customer
calls, Jim soon became frustrated with his job and tried finding something new.
Two years following his customer service job, he finally found a job as a technical writer working
for a company called MSX International, which specialized in automobiles and tractors.
Technical writing is the area he finally found, as he said, “what I want to do when I grow up.” He
spent a couple of years at MSX before he realized technical writing was something he could do
within his own home. Jim started his own business, JTech Training and Technical Writing.
Now he’s developing training courses for Caterpillar but has also done jobs for such companies
as Audi and Oldsmobile. His hometown is Jackson, Michigan, where he does most of his writing
and training developing, but has to take frequent trips to Peoria, Illinois, the headquarters of
Caterpillar, where he will meet with subject matter experts to learn more about the current
project. He has also had to travel to Spain, Australia, and Canada for Caterpillar projects.
His advice for future technical communicators is to use the new technology. He said that a lot of
the documentation that used to be paper-based is now electronic.
On most mornings, Jim wakes up around 5 am, and makes a fresh pot of decaffeinated coffee
before heading to his basement office. After checking some emails and making a to-do list for
the day, he heads back upstairs to make a small breakfast. Then he will spend a majority of his
day talking with customers, writing, or, as he said, “Whatever it takes to meet that next deadline.” He usually ends his day around 5 pm, and spends the rest of the night with his wife
and kids. “
ATTENTION!!!!!
I found the cousin
And i found the untouched facebook page of Jim Thompson including all his friends pre 9 5 2012.
The cousin is the al Shaikhly family from New Orleans.
there are hundreds of interesting fb pages of his friends.
here are just a few (i didnt have time to even look at many):
https://m.facebook.com/jim.thompson.3158
https://m.facebook.com/judy.weatherly.12
one
example of the al shaikhly
family
https://m.facebook.com/karim.alshaikhly
this is the most interesting site in my opinion from his friends list
https://m.facebook.com/fakhiraltaie
enjoy!!!
There we are !!!!!!!!
al Shaikhly. 2005 iraq’s ambassador in london
al shaikhly. founder of the baath party in iraq
i am starting to wonder whether or not iqbal was a member of the al shaikhly family and they just gave us wrong names?
Last Sunday evening, as Iraq’s historic election was drawing to a close, I was invited to the BBC’s Television Centre at White City to discuss the day’s events. Sitting in the green room, I came across Dr Salah al-Shaikhly, Iraq’s ambassador to London and an old friend from his days in the exiled Iraqi opposition movement. Dr al-Shaikhly, who is a close ally of Ayad Allawi, Iraq’s interim prime minister, could not wait for his appearance to acclaim the success of the first truly independent elections that had taken place since Iraq’s creation by the British in the 1920s.
Everything makes sense now. the history of the al hillis, the al shaikhly family and iqbal.
no
wonder there was a D notice.
we need screen shots of jim
thompson’s fb page urgently !!!!!!!!
Al-Shaikhly had particular reason to celebrate the election’s successful conclusion. Abdul Karim al-Shaikhly, his cousin, who was one of the founder members of the Ba’ath in Iraq and the party’s first foreign minister, had been murdered by Saddam’s security forces after falling out with the Iraqi dictator in the 1970s. For all those who suffered under Saddam, the fact that the elections were taking place at all was sweet revenge for the 35 years of tyranny the deposed dictator had imposed on his country.
al
Shaikhly, the london
ambassador
http://www.iraqenergy.org/home/board-members.php?detailof=10
the
al shaikhly family has dentists,
too.
http://dental.pacific.edu/The_Dugoni_Experience/Our_Family/Basil_Al_Shaikhly.html
Karim
Abdul al Shaikhly, who found the Baath party and who personally
invited Saddam Hussein to join the party leadership. al Shaikhly was
sponsored and trained by the
CIA.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba'ath_Party_%E2%80%93_Iraq_Region
Here is the family connection of James (Jim) Thompson with the Iraqi al Shaikhly family:
The key person is his cousin Mary Weatherly.
Mary
Weatherly was married to a famous member of the al Shaikhly family.
They dont tell his name (kept secret) but on a photo of the facebook
page of her daughter Coriane Elisabeth al Shaikhly there is a picture
of her father when she was a little girl. Her father is a young
Saddam Hussein lookalike.
It looks as if her father died (or else
perhaps he was killed).
Family chain of Mary Weatherly:
husband:
al Shaikhly, Iraq
mother: Judy Weatherly
brother: Truman
Weatherly
half sibling: Barry d’Alessandro
Mary
Weatherly’s children:
Karim al Shaikhly
Calem Anderson al
Shaikhly
Cassey al Shaikhly
Coriane Elizabeth al Shaikhly
There
is a girl sitting on a veranda on a photo published in the Daily Mail
article from today, showing Jim Thompson.
That girl is Coriane
Elizabeth al Shaikhly.
facebook
page of mary weatherly:
https://m.facebook.com/mary.weatherly
check the facebook page of her daughter Coriane Elisabeth al Shaikhly and the photos there. You will find an oldpicture of her father al Shaikhly together with the little kids and her mother there. They keep the name of her father a secret. He looks like a diplomat or like an iraqi government member.
tim
this
us likely debunked now:
“James T. probably was nothing but some
gullible love-struck mope whom she first picked up and later ditched
to suit her own purposes – as may have been the case later on with
Saad.”
James T. is confirmed to be a family relative of the al Shaikhly family due to his family relation with Judy Weatherly (his aunt) who is the mother of Mary Weatherly (his cousin) who had married Mr. al Shaikhly from Iraq approx 25 years ago.
There are no doubts whatsover that the al Saffars / al Allafs knew the al Shaikhly family very well due to their high ranked diplomat links and due to their links into iraqi politics. All the rest is routine.
I seriously doubt the DM green card story now. i rather believe that Iqbal was hidden in the USA as his bride (likely with a false name) simply because she was threatened and somebody probably wanted to kill her.
On
the other hand i remember the maxilofacial al allaf link in bahrein i
was finding here nearly 2 years ago.
What if that perfect dentist
wasnt just a dentist but a maxilofacial expert giving certain people
new faces and working for several governments in that medical
faculty??
All these Bluebird
Tim V
I
seem to have re-entered the fray at an opportune moment. All praise
to you people for continuing to beaver away and particularly the
enigmatic BB of course. With regard to your Bluebird
9
Jul, 2014 – 1:35 am post BB the thought I’ve had for a long time,
and I don’t think mentioned by anyone else, relates to Iqbal’s
dentistry issue. You suggest poss. of facial surgery BB. Maybe I’m
not thinking as well as you but I can’t quite see an application in
relation to all the Iraq stuff. Thought I had – I agree it may be
far fetched but will throw it into the cock-pit anyway – is in
relation to the utility of dentures or teeth implants for concealing
information or material. Even the nazis used concealed poison there.
Even the most intimate body search would be unlikely to uncover it. A
filling could even contain a sample metal. Just an idea.no more than
that.
The
puzzle is, as someone pointed out (sorry I can’t remember who) why
if she was a qualified dentist, she goes back to college to learn how
to make dentures. Could be, as was suggested, provided more
flexibility. Another reason might be it was thought to be a useful
skill for covert purposes without undue questions being asked.
Lots
more co-incidences and strange features thrown up by this latest
revelation as many have highlighted. Just a few I noticed: Our friend
Vinnemann says Thompson was a dentist? Turns out he’s actually
“ex-policeman”, oil man and now general contractor nearing
retirement? Is this just more French incompetence or intentional. We
have no info. on his police career. Until we do the CIA option is
very real possibility, for which “policeman could either be good
cover to the family, or their attempt to cover his real job. The
biker (complete with trademark moustache) with “links to thugs”
strikes me much more CIA than local cop. Nor do we need to be
reminded of the deep and resistant links between CIA and crime
(replicated by MI6) Then there is the inexplicable delay in the link
becoming public particularly if family members are now suggesting
they thought murder was a possibility at the time.
So
now, if the story is true, we have another piece of the jigsaw that
proves this was not an “ordinary” crime and that the involvement
of at least one and probably five secret agencies were involved one
way or another. We now have links to the top of Iraqi society in no
less than four directly related families PLUS clear, indisputable
CIA/MI6 links to SAH, his father, his uncle, and probably his wife,
her previous husband and his brother-in-law. This is beyond
coincidence. Now we have a spouse dying at almost the same time on
the same day, both sides of the Atlantic (albeit 6/7 hours
behind)!
If
Iqbal was CIA, it is feasible as I suggested above, she was a plant
on SAH to act as inside informer on what the British were up to with
SAH. Bremmer said as much in Iraq when he worked to prevent the
British taking control using Allawi, where the Al Hillis also had a
leading role. This replicated longstanding American policy/friction
dating back to Suez and prior with the whole anti-empire stance. The
pragmatic reason was oil and America’s determination to keep
control of the asset. (Ironically we are back in with the Turkey
pipeline/Kirkuk link and the Iraq split into three) Apologies for
shorthand.
So
what if the British operation was actually compromised by Iqbal not
realising the consequences? That shadowy figures on the
Israeli/American side took the decision to neutralise the three and
teach the British a lesson and put them in their place. I still think
SM was the link into the French metallurgy arena as they related to
Iran nuclear who had to go as well.
OK
just speculation but the latest revelation makes it more not less
likely.
Tim V
Katie
10
Jul, 2014 – 9:30 am in response to your observation : “She lived
in England,was a mother & according to ‘friends’ they kept
themselves to themselves IE: did not entertain much,lived modestly &
took cheap holidays….so what could she be doing as a spy ?”
reveals either a lack of knowledge, naivety or misdirection.
The one thing plants do NOT do is draw attention to themselves. They are usually the model of “normality” and discretion. Being “nice to neighbours” is often one of the traits instilled on commissioning.
A quick troll of American and Russian spies throws up mainly men but the women can be instructive as to standard operating procedure perhaps. (Marriage/false identity/careful placement/inconspicuous lifestyle) KGB had a preference for Russian Jews and frequency with which Jewish names appear cannot be ignored. Perhaps natural intelligence is a prerequisite for intelligence work?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Zarubina
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Foster_Zlatovski “Foster married Dutch diplomat Alleendert Kamper[2] in October 1936. She and Kamper separated after 18 months. Foster, required to spend five months on Dutch soil in order to finalize the divorce, travelled to Bali. She remained there until September 1939, returning to the United States due to the British declaration of war on Germany.[1]:31 She briefly joined the Communist Party in 1938.[3]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharon_M._Scranage “Scranage, who worked in Ghana in the role of Operations Support Assistant, passed classified information to her boyfriend, Michael Soussoudis. Soussoudis, a Ghanaian citizen with permanent residence in the United States, was a Ghanaian intelligence officer who had been assigned to seduce Scranage and solicit US intelligence from her.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Phillips “Working with a young Filipino dancer named Fely Corcuera, Phillips arranged forged papers and created a new identity for herself as a Philippine-born Italian dancer named Dorothy Clara Fuentes. Together the two women established a cabaret titled “Club Tsubaki”, a gentleman’s club that would quickly become popular with Japanese officers in Manila. Using the cabaret as a cover, Phillips began an extensive spy ring which harvested information from the Japanese officers who patronized the club.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Koral “Helen Koral was the wife of Alexander Koral, both were Americans who allegedly worked for Soviet intelligence during World War II. The Koral’s headed the “Art” or “Berg” group of Soviet spies.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Caldwell Callen was assigned by Dr. Gregory Rabinowitz to go to New York and infiltrate the Trotskyist Socialist Workers Party (SWP) using the pseudonym “Sylvia Caldwell”. She became the secretary of James Cannon, who headed the SWP. Callen later testified to a federal grand jury about her infiltration of the SWP and about how she provided information from the SWP offices to Rabinowitz. Rabinowitz was later replaced by Jack Soble. She had been married for a time to Zalmond Franklin, who also served Soviet intelligence. For a time, she was also known as Sylvia Lorraine Doxsee.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Coplon “An extensive counter-intelligence operation planted a secret document for her to pass to the Soviets. FBI agents arrested Coplon on March 4, 1949 in Manhattan as she met with Valentin Gubitchev, a KGB official employed by the United Nations, while carrying what she believed were secret U.S. government documents in her purse.[3][4]”
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-06-01/the-americans-the-real-russian-spies“Chapman, 28, who held a British passport after a brief marriage to a man she met in London, went from undercover to overexposed by posing in lingerie for a Russian men’s magazine. She later became a TV presenter in Moscow and flirted with a political career by joining Vladimir Putin’s ruling United Russia party. The real-life spies posed as married couples embedded deep in their communities and had children who seemingly knew nothing of their parents’ double lives.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2308427/Suburban-New-Jersey-home-married-KGB-agents-inspired-The-Americans-TV-goes-market.html “Richard and Cynthia Murphy were exposed in 2010 as Russian spies Vladimir and Lydia Guryev. The Guryevs were among 11 sleeper agents who were sent to the US decades earlier by the KGB with instructions to blend into day-to-day life.”
Tim V
This interesting lady was in the NSA at time of 9/11. Despite that organisations failures (replicated elsewhere) she was later PROMOTED to FBI. She now apparently works as National Security Advisor (note abbreviation) for SERCO.
Maureen Baginski
Maureen
Baginski
Maureen Baginski began her cryptologic career as a
Russian Language instructor in 1979. During her tenure, Ms. Baginski
held various operational management positions, including a tour as a
Senior Operations Officer in the National Security Operations Center
and the Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) National Intelligence Officer
for Russia.
Ms. Baginski held the position of Signals Intelligence Director during the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001. She directed the Extended SIGINT Enterprise during this time to acquire, produce, and disseminate foreign SIGINT to a wide variety of government and military customers. She interacted with the Executive Branch, members of the Intelligence Community, and worldwide SIGINT partners providing crucial information during a critical time. She left NSA to take a senior position at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
FBI
Announces New Role for Maureen A. Baginski
Washington, D.C.
August
11, 2005
FBI
National Press Office
(202) 324-3691
Maureen A. Baginski, the
executive assistant director for Intelligence, is taking on a new
role at the FBI. After two years of leading the FBI’s intelligence
program, she plans to retire from government service and return as a
senior advisor to the FBI.
Under Ms. Baginski’s leadership, the FBI has considerably enhanced its capacity to fuse intelligence from across the Bureau and is using intelligence to direct and guide collection. Ms. Baginski developed and built an intelligence infrastructure with dedicated intelligence groups in every field office and the Directorate of Intelligence at Headquarters to manage all FBI intelligence activities—from collection to dissemination—to ensure that the FBI’s intelligence activities are integrated with its investigative operations. Ms. Baginski also led the development of a professional intelligence career service and implemented new hiring practices, training, and a clear career path that gives intelligence professionals opportunities for development and advancement to upper management ranks.
The president, in his June 28, 2005, memorandum, and the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD Commission) in its report, noted the FBI’s significant improvements in its intelligence program.
Director Mueller said, “Our progress of the past two years would not have been possible without the efforts of Maureen Baginski. The National Security Branch is the next step in the FBI’s evolution and will be constructed on the strong foundation that Maureen built. I have asked her to return as a senior advisor to the FBI to continue to bring her considerable vision and energy to our overall transformation efforts.”
She will divide her time between work at the FBI and other service of critical importance to the national security community.http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-announces-new-role-for-maureen-a.-baginski
An obscure video with some fascinating insights and connections between this lady/explosives/Boston/Gill/NSA/MI6/remote detonation/Serco/pedophilia All a bit far-fetched but with elements of truth? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbJrp_nmhPQ
Tim V
Katie
10
Jul, 2014 – 1:23 pm you say “I can’t see we have any great
interest in Iraq now.” Your “sang froid” never ceases to take
my breath away not to mention diametrically reality averse! (If there
is such a thing) Have you not heard of the Kirkuk/Turkish pipeline
not to mention all the other ISIS/Iran/Israel/Syria/Egypt stuff? Well
of course you have, so how could you come out with a statement like
that? Obviously not a follower of Tony Blair or noticed gun toting
cops at Heathrow which Cameron now says are permanent, or taping law
that only takes a week to pass, etc etc ALL of which is connected to
Iraq.
Tim V
t may be significant that so far THREE distinct personas/identies have now been established for Saad’s wife, who we have been told was one of the victims in the car. If she also used her mother’s name she might have used FOUR. (Al Saffar. al Allaf. Thompson. al Hilli) This is not conjecture.
To fly from Sweden to (?) Dubai; from Dubai to America; from America to Dubai; from Dubai to London; from London to Chevaline (plus wherever and whenever she travelled before, during or after) she needed passports but the passport name was probably different. For example travelling to America it was probably Iqbal al Saffar whereas on her return after marriage to Jim Thompson it could easily have been “Kelly Thompson” an American citizen. So we immediately have the possibility of the classical multi-passport agent, though of course not proving it. These four possibilities, all having the advantage of truthfulness does not not exclude the possibility of more.
One of the consequences of this as it relates to the death of Jim Thompson is first how Maillaud/Vinnemann discovered the connection as it might not have been immediately obvious as demonstrated by the fact that it has taken nearly two years to come out? One might have expected, given the extraordinary coincidence of Iqbal’s ex dying on precisely the same day and even local time (almost) would have been headline news at the time if the connection had been realised.
Conversely it would appear the American family either didn’t make the connection or kept it quiet. Alternatively it could have been there WAS nothing to connect Iqbal al Hilli and Kelly Thompson (nee Iqbal al Saffah) in their minds at the time. If they had connected the two events, it would have been much less likely that Jim’s death would have been treated in quite the same way. (Obviously he was buried rather than cremated or there wouldn’t be the option of exhumation and post-mortem testing.)
So on both sides of the Atlantic, the awareness of the American connection appears to have come late in the day so the question arises from what quarter was this information provided? In law how many nationalities (and passports) could she lay claim to? (I can think of at least four probably) As usual and true to form you notice the French side advance a theory and then retract it in respect of both the coincidence of the same day deaths and the Iraqi hit-man, who however is conveniently kept locked up on another (unrevealed) charge. Meanwhile Algerian terrorists planning to blow up the Eiffel Tower abound apparently.
Bluebird
Michael
Norton
11 Jul, 2014 – 6:43am
“I wanted to be a good person
so I let her stay with me in Atlanta.”
***
That’s
exactly why i suggest that she was his second wife. Mrs. Weatherly
did never live in Atlanta. At that time in 1999 she already had 4
children with Mr al Shaikhly, the youngest of them, Coriana
Elisabeth, about 2 years of age.
Mrs. Weatherly always lived in
Marrero. Also Jim Thompson lived in Marrero at that time what is the
home of their parents Janes Augustus Thompson and Addie Tucker.
Mr. al Shaikhly left aline his wife and his four children and he moved to Atlanta where he lived with Iqbal Kelly “for 3 months” while his wife was left aline in Marrero with her 4 children.
That
suggests that he married Iqbal in Shia law as his second wife (but of
course not in American law). I know a Muslim who currently is in the
same situation, therefore that solution is in my mind. His wife is 60
and older than him but he still wants children. he learnt to know a
younger woman back home in his muslim country and he asked his
western european wife if she would accept him “marrying this woman”
as a second wife. Of course she didnt. He did not want a divorce but
simply a second wife for having more children. As a cover he planned
that the second wife would marry a western european gay friend to get
a visa.
This is conservative muslim thinking.
Iqbal Kelly living 3 months with a single but married muslim father of 4 is unthinkable. Muslims would treat iqbal as a whore if she weren’t religiously married with mr. al shaikhly before. We must stop western thinking here to understand the lies in the DM report.
Michael Norton
BB
Quote Mr. Al Shaikhly
“She had moved out here to be a doctor”
Why
would Al say such a lie.
Who does he think he is fooling with this
nonsense.
Bluebird
I really recommend to read the following.
Confirmed
Abdul Karim al Shaikhly was Iraq’s foreign minister 1968-1971. That’s exactly (!!) the same time when Saad’s uncle Hashim al Hilli worked for the Iraqi ministry of foreign affairs in the London Iraqi embassy.
please read tge following links and text to understand the importance of al Shaikhly.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/901524/replies?c=15
That’s so special. He wasn’t even born in Tikrit. He was from Al-Ouja, down the road a piece. The date of his actual birth is somewhat disputed as well. From 1935 through 1939. The April birthday was borrowed from someone he knew.
“…This might be explained by the fact that the whole process for registering births, marriages and deaths was exceedingly primitive. At this time it was the custom for the authorities to give all peat children the nominal birth date of July 1; it was only the year that they attempted to get right.” This would certainly explian why a certificate presented in one of Saddam’s official biographies gives July 1, 1939 as the date of his birth. In fact, Saddam acquired his official birth date from his friend and future co-conspirator, Abdul Karim al-Shaikhly, who came from a well established Baghdad faily adn so had the advantage of possessing an authentic birth date.
Saddam: King of Terror
Con Coughlin, 2009
18 Three of Saddam’s closest friends in Cairo have since perished — Abdul Karim al- Shaikhly (assassinated 1980), Medhat Ibrahim Juma’a (murdered 1986 ), and Nairn al-Azami (killed early 1980s). His only known surviving contemporary, ..
In Baghdad itself, fighting involving US and Iraqi forces continued for a second day in Sadr City, the Mahdi Army militia’s stronghold, with at least 40 people reported killed. Gunmen kidnapped Tahseen al-Shaikhly, an Iraqi civilian spokesman for Baghdad security operations, after killing three of his bodyguards and torching his house in the neighborhood of Ameen, a Mahdi Army stronghold in southeastern Baghdad.
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-63210.html
1) Officially, Saddam Hussein was born on April 28, 1937; to provide authenticity for the date, in 1980 Hussein made it a national holiday.
2) Several contemporaries of Saddam Hussein argue that he was born at least two years earlier, and some commentators state that the correct year is actually 1939.
3) The process for registering births, marriages, and deaths in Iraq during that timeframe was extremely primitive. It was customary for officials to give all peasant children the nominal birth date of July 1; it was only the year that the authorities attempted to record accurately. This would explain why a certificate published in one of Hussein’s official biographies lists July 1, 1939 as the date of his birth.
4) Hussein probably acquired his official birth date from his friend and future political ally, Abdul Karim al-Shaikhly, who — because he came from a well-established Baghdad family — had the advantage of possessing an authentic birth date. Hussein was reportedly envious of Karim for knowing his own birthday, and simply claimed it as his own.
5) It is now widely accepted that Hussein changed his year of birth to demonstrate that he was older than he actually was during his meteoric ascent through the ranks of the Baath Party.
In addition, it is frowned-upon in Arab society for a man to marry a woman older than himself; Hussein’s first wife, Sajida, was born in 1937, and Hussein might have changed his year of birth so that he would appear to be the same age as she.
Sabah al Shaikhly immigrated into the USA in 1986. Before that he lived in Tottenham/London from 1970-1980.
Name:Sabah
Abdulkader AL Shaikhly
Naturalization Date:25 Jun
1986
Court:Eastern District Court
Court City:New Orleans Sabah
Abdula Qadir al Shaikhly.
His
father was Abdul Qadir Jassim al Shaikhly.
veterinary medicine,
one of the most reknown veterinary scientists worldwide.
Ph.D. at
university of Bristol 1972.
1965-1967 Veterinary expert and
veterinary inspector of the Iraqi Army.
Veterinary professor at
the university of Baghdad.
Peter
Both the French and U. S. authorities must have known about Ikbal’s stay in the U. S. for a long time now, because she had to have her prints taken when she applied for a Green Card there.
More
puzzling is why she turned up in the USA in such a haphazard,
disorganized
manner:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687572/Iraqi-denies-arranged-marriage-Alps-massacre-mother-U-S-man-claims-died-day-pure-coincidence.html
Mr
Alshaikhly, 62, met Mrs Al-Hilli in 1999. A Dubai-based doctor
contacted him and said he had a friend who had recently moved to the
US and was looking for a place to stay. He explained: ‘My friend
called me and said Kelly had been in America for a few months and she
had no money and nowhere to stay. ‘I wanted to be a good person so
I let her stay with me in Atlanta. She had moved out here to be a
doctor, so I took her to Emory University to see if it was possible.
‘She was already highly qualified, but they said she needed to go
to medical school for one year and then take exams. She did not want
to do that.
In
my opinion, that sounds neither like something that a career-minded
dentist would do (who would have established the requirements for
recertification and arranged the necessary paperwork before even
setting foot in the U.S.), nor like something that an intelligence
agent would do. Rather, it almost sounds as if she had been running
away from something or somebody – a failed first marriage in Dubai,
for example?
Regarding her career as a dentist, Dr Zaid Alabdi has claimed that he studied alongside her for some time. The only place where that can have been is at the University of Badgdad, where he completed his Bachelor of Dental Surgery in 1987. If I am right and Iqbal also studied there, she must have completed her BDS at around the same time. The following years are a blank, until she turned up in the USA coming from Dubai in 1999. Her parents lived in Sweden at least since 2001 (the first time the Swedish police were called about her brother Haydar Thaher – by the way, why is his surname Thaher?). Given that the Swedish cops were called fairly regularly in the following years, I would assume that her parents arrived in Sweden not long before 2001. Roughly at the same time she moved to the U. S., I would assume.
AFAIK, Dubai has only quite recently opened its first dental school. Thus, Iqbal must have acquired any further qualifications over and above her BDS elsewhere. It is almost certain that she did aquire such qualifications, because this quote, ‘She was already highly qualified, but they said she needed to go to medical school for one year and then take exams, indicates that she already was a fully-qualified dentist in another country when she arrived in the USA. My guess is that she trained in Bagdad (where her sister lived), before moving to Dubai at some point in the mid-nineties. Then, as I have argued, things in Dubai must have turned sour for her in 1999, because she did a runner, neither returning to Bagdad to stay with her family there, nor joining her parents who were in the process of moving to Sweden. Rather, she chose to move to the U.S. on her own, a move that appears to have been a hasty, spur-of-the-moment decision.
Bluebird
peter
regarding Haydar Thaher
“Thaher”
(also spelled as Taher or Tahir) is an Arab boy name but no
surname.
His full name is Haydar (Hayder) Thaher (Tajir/Taher) al
Saffar.
I believe that he worked in a pharmacy. He doesnt work in that pharmacy nowadays.
cashed version:
current version (no Haydar al Saffar in staff):
http://www.thackerspharmacy.co.uk/staff/
Arabs can shorten their name but even if they do so and using their two first names only, they still have a surname and his surname is al Saffar.
Bluebird
Confirmed.
This is the RIGHT Haider al Saffar.
Mist likely this must be
Iqbal’s brother.
https://m.facebook.com/umhussain.alsaffar.7
Watch
the screenshot of this facebook page and particularly the friends
list. There they’re all of them. Even uncle Ahmed al Saffar who was
popular in the news media after the killing is there. And of course
there is Haider al Saffar.
We have got 2 guys from the al Hilli
family there, too. The other Ali al Hilli from Glasgow and Mohammed
al Hilli, the prayer.
We have all the al Saffars we already knew
from the media. A truly great source for genealogy studies.
katie et al, could you pls do some screenshots from that friends list?
Tim V
Ref death of Jim Thompson at the wheel: we are told it was at about 3pm local time, so the coincidence is not just same day, but also almost same (local) time. That really is pushing the coincidence. Now we know his time was actually 6/7 hours later in real time, that is around 9pm French time. This is about when the story was starting to get big attention although I do not know the time of the first American news reports which I guess were picked up a bit later than Britain/France in real time. Is it reasonable that JT had seen it on the (lunch-time?) news by then? If not the only other alternative would be that family members, or cops had informed him. Either way if the latter, a knowledge connection would be proved which makes their subsequent silence even more intriguing. Alternatively he neither heard the news before his death or perhaps even made the connection between a Mrs al Hilli and the al Saffar/Kelly woman he had supposedly married or not as the case may be. However his knowledge of this woman was certainly significant and potentially threatening to anyone who wished to cover it up. If indeed he was murdered rather than dying from natural causes (which is possible) it must have been pre-planned and co-ordinated with assassins both sides of the Atlantic, the one probably dependant and triggered by the success of the other. Now who would have that sort of capability?
Bluebird
It’s good when you have a female psychiatrist in your family who works and lives in Stockholm.
http://cirrie.buffalo.edu/database/authors/44670/
http://akademitrauma.se/om-oss-2/suad-al-saffar/
Psychiatrist Suad al Saffar worked in Basra treating traumatised patients who were tortured by Saddam Hussein and she treated traumatised victims of the war.
Suad is a girlname. Just thinking: … Suad … Suhayla????
google
translation of swedish text from link given above.
This
information is from approx. 2004.
Suad Al-Saffar is a licensed psychologist after studying at Stockholm University and her doctorate at the Karolinska Institute (psychiatry) with a thesis entitled Trauma, ethnicity and posttraumatic stress disorder. Before she started her university education in psychology, she had worked as a teacher at Sando school and as refugee coordinator in Nynäshamns municipality.
With a background in both Iran as Iraq, she has throughout her life been open to – and interested in – cultural encounters. Since childhood, she speaks Persian as well as Arabic. In the meeting with refugees, she saw the need for knowledge of trauma and its consequences. Nor psychologist studies covered her need for knowledge in this area. In addition to the clinical experience and additional training, she decided fyllla the gaps with their own research projects.
For 3 years after Iraq war worked Suad Al-Saffar in an international aid project planners, teacher and director of a treatment center in Basra, as she built up. The client was Danish Foreign Ministry and the IRCT (International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims), and later also the EU. The operation was directed at assisting those who were tortured and traumatized during Saddam Hussein’s regime and the subsequent war. Suad research presently at the Karolinska Institute, where she leads a course on the effects of trauma from a clinical and public health perspective. She has held positions including as a lecturer for the UN, Basra University and an advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health. Her training includes both medical professionals, NGOs, lawyers and police chiefs
Bluebird
Voila!
Here
we have the approved link between the al Saffar family (Hilal, who
calls Haider al Saffar his brother), got a friend in Denmark, Ula
“Alshekly” from Baghdad who lives in Neastved, Denmark.
Of
course it was evident that Shekli was just an abbreviation of
Shaikhly. Voila!
Checking Ula’s contacts we find all Danish al Shaikhlys (now spelled correctly)
https://m.facebook.com/abdul.alshaikly
Checking Abdul’s friends we find many more al Shaikhlys. Hilal al Saffar is the direct link between the al Saffar and the al Shaikhly family.
Riddle solved an approved what we had suggested:
The Swedish al Saffar and the Danish al Shaikhly definitely know each other.
That house in Norcross where Iqbal lived for 3 months is pretty interesting.
There lived 3 more guys in that house:
Eric
A Ramos (44) and supposingly his brother Cesar A Ramos (56)
There
lived also Keith R Kiraly (62) who supposingly has an issue with
Judith Weatherly.
Plus there were 5 companies in that house:
1.
A&W International, run by Mary Ann Weatherly.
That company was
created in 2004 and closed in 2008.
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ga/268606
2.
Kiraly Investments Inc
Keith Kiraly
3.
Keith’s contracting Inc.
Keith Kiraly
4.
AAA Quality contractors
created in 1992
directors Keith Kiraly
and Judith Weatherly
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_la/34411711D
5.
Hitech Termite and Pest control
Erik Ramos
There we are once again in veterinary with the al Shaikhly family back in 1960/70 in Iraq as a did publish here earlier today. Veterinary, pest control, poultry farm … chemicals ….
Interesting guy: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-ramos/3a/b55/434
Must have been a busy house with Iqbal Kelly.
Katie
‘According
to Jim Thompson’s son, 28-year-old Joshua, ‘Kelly’ bought his
father a Honda Accord car in return for agreeing to the marriage.
His
daughter Joy, 38, says her father was also promised a Harley Davidson
which never materialised, but adds: ‘He did like her a lot. He
wouldn’t have married her if he didn’t like her. He wanted to
help her out.’
From February 1999 to the beginning of 2001,
Iqbal lived with Thompson at his parents’ neat detached
five-bedroom bungalow in Marrero, Louisiana, about four hours’
drive from New Orleans.
She never spoke of her family and none of
her relatives visited her. She and Jimmy kept separate bedrooms and
cooked their meals separately.
Joy was in her late 20s at the time
of her father’s fourth marriage and only heard about it when she
visited and found ‘Kelly’ living there. The couple had quietly
married in a civil ceremony with only two witnesses and no reception
or honeymoon.
The
only known photograph of the couple is said to show the pair in a
swimming pool together, Iqbal in Thompson’s arms, and is said to
have been posed to make their relationship look convincing in case of
investigation by the U.S. authorities.
‘I was a little bit
stunned when I asked who she was and my dad said it was his wife,’
says Joy.
‘I didn’t believe him at first. He jokingly said:
“I’ve got myself a 34-year-old virgin.” But he said that she
was saving herself, and that there was nothing wrong with saving
yourself for what you believed in.
‘They were not intimate but
they did become good friends. They would laugh and joke together. He
would spoon food into her mouth if he was cooking.
‘She was a
lovely, sweet woman but we always knew it was a temporary thing and
that one day she would leave.
Kelly was looking for the great
American dream, but she didn’t quite find it.’
Indeed, the two
years that Iqbal spent in the U.S. were clearly not what she
expected.
While she drove herself around in a VW, always perfectly
coiffed and made-up, she was unable to find work as a dentist because
she was not certified by the state of Louisiana.
Instead, she was
only able to work as a dental assistant earning around $20,000 a year
— a meagre salary compared to the $200,000 a year she could have
taken home as a dentist with her own practice.
Joy explains: ‘It
was degrading for her.
She was over-qualified but they wouldn’t
accept her qualifications. She was this lovely, stylish and beautiful
woman who spoke with a perfect British accent but she was having to
do cleaning and stuff.’
But
while Jim Thompson and his family never heard from her again and
assumed that her brief presence in their lives was just because of
her need for a Green Card, FBI agents, at the request of Interpol,
have been probing whether there were other reasons for her stay in
the U.S.
They have examined Thompson’s past as an oil rig worker
and as manager at a company which manufactured pipelines for the
United Arab Emirates, although by the time he married Iqbal he was
working as a handyman.
One
man who might be expected to know the truth about Iqbal’s first
marriage is the man who helped arrange it — Sabah Al Shaikhly. This
week, the Mail tracked him down to New Mexico, where he is now
divorced from Jim’s niece and is working as a satellite and
communications specialist.
Denying all knowledge of a Green Card
arrangement, he claimed he was just helping out his doctor friend
when he invited Iqbal to stay.’
‘Mr
Al-Shaikhly is adamant that the murder of the Al-Hillis has no
connection to Iqbal’s time in the U.S. or the death of Jim Thompson
on the same day.
‘The two deaths are hard to understand, but
they are just an unbelievable coincidence. Coincidences can happen.’
‘ADAMANT’ …………How does he know ?
Katie
Interesting
article
Now the DM has Mr Alshaikly upgraded from an ordinary shelves worker towards a satellite and communucations specialist (oops .. we had that job before with one of the victims).
Actually he IS a satellites and communications specialist what i already said a week ago because when Kelly was with him in Atlanta he did run the now dissolved “TELSTAR communications” company in Atlanta. Telstar were some quite famous satellites. Now we are getting closer towards the truth. Now tell me what a satellites and communucations expert is doing in Alamogordo (except when he’s working for the airforce at Holloway AF base where they test the satellite guided missiles). That would also confirm his Dubai based company that i mentioned earlier (trade of electronic parts – satellites?). Saad had a similar company in London.
Mary
Weatherly pointed out on her fb page 2 years ago after his
funeral:
“Jimmy was no 1%er (=MC outlaw) although he did behave
as such and the neighbours wrongly believed that he was one. Jimmy
was always clean and he was behaving very well. I dont know whether
or not he loved somebody in his life. I hope that he did.”
Once again, there are no marriage records and there are no divorce records of Kelly Iqbal. I checked all of Jimmy’s 7 addresses and there is no record of Kelly Iqbal being registered at any of these addresses although there lived quite a few other women with him whom he had “married”. Iqbal either wasnt Kelly nor al Saffar when she was with them or else she was an illegal immigrant even after they had married (once again without any registered documents being in any of the US files). She wasnt existent.
So Iqbal was moving to a satellites and communications expert in the USA, then married his cousin who was “not a 1% er outlaw) and moved back to Dubai where she married another satellite and communications expert whose family definitely and confirmed knew the family of the other satellite expert.
Iqbal must have had a fetish for satellite experts …..
… and
Jimmy’s (Iqbal’s her husband’s sister) had a long list of so
called letterbox companies (together with her ex husband Keith Kiraly
who descends from a famous jewish-hungarian family). These companies
were opened and closed like the doors of a car.
Car trading
companies, construction companies, media companies, investment
companies, real estates companies, almost everything is in Judy
Weatherly’s list of directors.
The following paragraph is just speculation but that kind of companies are a typical covert “project funding” system. Once the project is finished you close the former letterbox company and then open a new one for funding another project – a system often used by secret services to fund certain secret and covert activities.
Judy
Weatherly created and runs 47 companies, most of those only for a
period of 2 to 3 years.
Her
ex husband Keith Kiraly created a total of about 30 other companies,
most of them dissolved after 2 years only.
Bluebird
Sensational find
!!!!!!!!!
SABAH AL SHAIKHLY WAS MARRIED BEFORE HE HAD AN ISSUE WITH MARY WEATHERLY IN THE USA.
Mary
Weatherly is not the mother of Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly.
The
mother of Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly is Iranian Deborah Gauss-Iran.
Deborah Gauss-Iran used several names.
She lived with Sabah al Shaikhly in North Carolina where they had issue and she gave birth to Karim and Brooke al Shaikhly.
Deborah used the following names:
Deborah
al Shaikhly
Deborah Gauss-Iran
Deborah Gaussiran
Debbie S.
Gaussiran
Deborah Spadoni
Debbie Gauss Spadoni
Deborah
Rossworm
She
lived with Elwyn A. Gaussiran and Mary W. Gaussiran in the same house
of Sabah al Shaykhly.
Elwyn A. Gaussiran had this company:
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_la/34196146D
This is the facebook site of Mrs. Al Shaikhly aka Gauss-Iran aka Spadoni aka Rossworm:
https://m.facebook.com/deborah.rossworm
What is that uniform she wears in her fb photo? Nurse? Stewardess? Military?
Please
help finding more! That stinks!
We just debunked another DM lie.
Mary Weatherly is not the first wife of Sabah al Shaikhly and Karim and Brooke are NOT her genetic children.
tim
Yes.
Definitely CIA for me. Remember: He’s a “former policeman”. God
knows whether or not this is another lie.
And more revealing news
http://m.radaris.com/~Karim-Alshaikhly/120440661
The son of Sabah Al Shaikhly and Deborah Al Shaikhly Gaussiran aka Rossworm aka Spadoni aka Deborah Florence Rossworm is Karim Al Shaikhly.
Karim
al Shaikhly has different addresses (see link). However, two
addresses are nice ones:
1. Holloway Airforce Base
2.
Alamogordo
Now then, his father Sabah, who moved to Alamogordo and who is a satellites and communications expert is certainly NOT “working” for the airforce. And as an Iraqi he certainly NEVER ever came under the radar of the CIA before at least his Iraqi/Iranian son started working for the airforce. And of course that radar screenung never revealed them the name Iqbal al Saffar whom he eventually introduced later to her American “husband” Jim.
Who does believe that the CIA didnt know anything at all about al Shaykhli’s American/Iranian relatives and friends wirh whom he shared the house?
But who dies believe that al Shaikhly was married to the CIA?
What’s your guess after having viwed these facts?
http://allthingsd.com/20120810/meet-gauss-the-latest-weapon-in-the-unfolding-us-israeli-cyberwar/
Just
thinking loud
The “Gauss” Virus was released August 10
2012.
It was called “Gauss” by Kaspersky because in its code
they found the spelling “Gauss Iran”.
That virus targetted Hezbollah and bank accounts in Lebanon.
Now I came across the name “Gaussiran” in regards to Al Shaikhly and i connect the dots with Saad and Iqbal and particularly that date august 2012. What if they knew about who created that virus? What if it were Iqbal and Saad?
News
More about the mother with the 7 surnames who is the mother of Sabah al Shaikhly’s first two children:
After
her divorce she moved to Asheville together with Jim Thompson’s
then divorced wife Jaqueline Thompson Dula. This was in 1997.
In
Asheville there lives her younger brother (?) (or new husband?)
Richard Rossworm who has a pharmacy.
Jaquelin Thompson studied
pharmacy, too. Today she is still living in Asheville, NC, working in
pharmacy.
http://www.mylife.com/ncbabycake36329uz
http://www.mylife.com/richardrossworm
Finally, i am still puzzled about where she obtained the name Gaussiran from and about why the “Gauss-Iran family” did share the house of Al Shaikhly in NC.
Tim V
I hope that those who used to say this was an "ordinary" crime and pooh pooh the suggestion that it had anything to do with nation states and their secret agencies are now convinced. We have so many connections to so many victims and associates to stick to that opinion would appear fanciful. As far as Iqbal is concerned we are told she spoke "English perfectly" ie no hint of either Swedish or Arab accent. Not American accent you notice which suggests British schooling somewhere along the line and probably from an early age. If she was working for government, was it British or American? Was America using her to spy on Britain or vice versa? Or was it a co-operative effort - Britain's MI5/6 lending her to FBI/CIA before winging her back to Dubai at the very time the Twin Towers operation swings into action? We know how obsessed America has been with Iran ever since the fall of the Shah and Carter's humiliation that ensured Reagan Republicans would get into the 80's driving seat, followed of course by the CIA Bush and first Iraq invasion. In such a situation multi lingual Shia top family individuals with connections to all the important players becomes hot property. It seems that both Saad AND Iqbal fell into that category. They were complimentary. Their meeting in Dubai and subsequent marriage could not have been accidental. They were both carrying on a family tradition at a critical time of Saddam being ousted which they both probably supported but became less convinced as time went on, aware of the way American policy was leading. They may well have gone "rogue" therefore and needed to be neutralised before spilling important beans or providing essential assistance to the old enemy. SM appears to be the bait but provided by whom - the French? It certainly appears from their reaction at the time and subsequently that even if not a British operation (which I believe it was) it was being monitored and supported by them. The British response to protect children and Zaid plus wider family can only be interpreted as supporting its own. So as always we are back to the two main suspects. The death of Jim Thompson, probably sacrificial warning to others, could have been carried out by one of the two main suspects, but more likely one of them. That it has been kept quiet all this time ties yet again the French into an international conspiracy.
Bluebird
Safdar Rahmad Abadi was killed inside his car in Tehran on the dame day when Mrs.Tournier was killed in Lathuile. Another “same day killing” coincidence
Safdar
Rahmad Abadi was Iran’s minister for mining and trade. He was
responsible for the zirconium mining in iran.
The al Hillis grew
up with the al Abadis in the UK and they have the same history and
belong to the same political party. the two families are facebook
friends.
We have zirconium and a double-same-day killing in that story:
Abadi (iran’s “mr. zirconium”) in Teheran (2 shots in head inside his car) and mrs.communal tournier in lathuile.
the second same day killing happend 9-5-2012 in doussard (al hilli and french “mr. zirconium” silvain mollier) and in the usa (mrs. Iqbal’s CIA godfather).
Now mr.haider al abadi is going to become iraq’s prime minister. when will we expect the next double killing in that case?
After six months of investigation into the death of Nicole Communal-Tournier, manager of the Ideal camping in Latheron in Haute-Savoie, the police have finally got their hands on suspects. Between Saturday and Tuesday, they arrested five people aged 20-40 years: two in Ugine, in Savoie, a Doussard, Haute-Savoie, and two in a camp for travelers, located near Albertville (Savoie ) at the time. The suspects were brought before a magistrate, charged and remanded in custody in several judgments of the Rhône-Alpes region houses, said yesterday morning the prosecutor Eric Maillaud Annecy, which will hold a press conference Friday 10:00 courthouse Annecy.
On the night of November 10 to 11, 2103, two individuals had entered the home of the victim around 1:30 am, while she watched TV. Alerted by the screams of his wife, her husband got up to put away the attackers. A violent brawl was triggered and Jean-Paul Tournier was wounded in the head by a rifle butt. In fleeing, one of the assailants opened fire through a door, fatally wounding Nicole Communal Tournier-chest of a landfill shotgun. The investigation was entrusted to the research section of the gendarmerie in Chambery.
Source
http://ch.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Andreas/Kirsch
Andreas Kirsch
Head of mission administration at Swiss Air Rescue, Rega
Winterthur, Switzerland
https://www.yumpu.com/de/document/view/5288093/1965-luftrettung-fur-ein-rettungsflugzeug-rega/19
Tim V
19 Aug, 2014 - 12:45 pm (note: I had the 21,000th entry on Craig Murray blog))
TWENTY-ONE TODAY!
Thanks
NR. Twenty-nine thousand posts on this site alone! If posts could
solve crimes. They haven’t solved the crime but they have
demonstrated the incompetence of French law enforcement, to say the
least. As we approach the second anniversary, I wonder what
“road-show” they will give us – if any – and whether it will
be any better than the first one. Needless to say, the Brits have
kept remarkably quiet and apparently haven’t a clue “who dunnit”.
And as for the Cameron/Holland assurances the very next day – yet
more empty rhetoric and falsehood, of which this event has been
replete. It is beyond comprehension that neither France or Britain or
both, with all their resources, do not know precisely what happened
and why. The more interesting question is now, what is so important
or embarrassing to presumably national security, that trumps justice
or making both country’s police look so stupid? Of course since
this event we have had the disappearance of MH370, MH17, Gaza and
re-engagement in Kirkuk, all of which have involved lies and
conspiracy at the highest of government, not to mention Boston and
Woolwich, Boco Haram and ISIS. Coups in Egypt and Ukraine, bot
supported by the west. Bombing and killing thousands of civilians in
Gaza supported by the west. Government brutality in Nigeria, Mali,
Horn of Africa supported by the west. Gaza protests either not
reported in Britain or banned in France. Orchestrated propaganda
coming from Washington, London and Paris simultaneously regarding the
twin “threats” of domestic Muslim extremism and Russian
aggression. Snowden and Assange and huge clamp-down on “leaks”
and alternative reporting on the internet via the hysteria over
celebrity phone-tapping and “ATVOD”. Meanwhile the police lose
all their potentially embarrassing investigative reports of high
level goings on amidst claims of endemic police corruption and
Bush/Blair conversations proving collusion and deceit remain buried.
Eye-watering malfeasance in public office was enshrined in the events
of 9/11 at the beginning of the century and has stained all
subsequent disastrous events. In this wider context we should not be
surprised that the murder of four individuals in a French forest
should prove so difficult to solve. It is not solved because the
French, the British, the American and the Israeli governments do not
wish it, and no other government (German, Swedish, Russian, Iranian?)
are prepared to play snitch. Now we have Nouri al-Maliki gone and
replaced with Haider (where have I heard that name before?) al-Abadi,
an Al Hilli/Dawa look-a-like, at the hands of the Iranians it would
appear but also a British shoe-in (the mind boggles at what
bi-lateral deal secured that one)the whole saga may come full-circle.
Only another 21,000 posts to go before
melt-down!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/12/senior-iranian-official-iraq-haider-al-abadi-prime-minister
http://www.france24.com/en/20140817-iraq-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-profile/
Bluebird
thanks
for the haider al abadi mentioning, tim.
i did that the very first
minute i had heard this name. Not because this is a popular name but
because i had seen that name in the al hilli investigation quite
often.
Abadi is exactly from the same al Hakim, al Khoei clan
(“the london group”) as al Hilli’s father and cousin were. I
had checked hundreds of facebook groups from the al hilli clan
already almost 2 years ago and i saw quite a lot of friends with the
abadi surname.
if you want to know more about al hilli then search for abadi.
Unfortunately just like the al hillis, abadi is a pro hashemite politician. Unfortunately those politicians dont have a long life. could we bet for another assassination date, perhaps sept 5th 2014 ???
Here is mentioned how waleed al hilli praises abadi
http://iraqdinar.us/national-alliance-sadiq-al-abadi-nomination/
in
his twitter account, ali al hilli praises abadi. there are also
posting ali al saffar and haider al
khoei.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ali_Hilli
in
this twitter account mohammed al hilli praises abadi and he says a
lot about iraq and isis.
https://mobile.twitter.com/malhilli
such information is very important for the understanding of the political stance of the al hilli family and the al saffar family.
Michael Norton
Usually
if the younger partner is slim and good looking the older partner
will be richer, more intelligent or more important. Now Clair Shutz
is very slim, blond, good looking, intelligent and has a career and a
business, plus her maternal uncle is a senior French politician.
We
have been told by relatives of Sylvain that he had not even been to
university and was only a welder.
It
does not ring true.
Sylvain
was a lot older than Clair and had a pre-existing family.
I
doubt she would have been attracted to him if he was only a welder
and had not been to university. I suspect, he was (among other
things), a highly important metalurgist.
He
has been dead almost two years now, I assume in France they have
probate, which will be a public document.
Tim Veater
“No suspicious circumstances” Well of course.
“Mr
Hauteville was a keen hunter, and French police soon arrested and
placed farmer Mr Cottet-Dumoulin under investigation.
They lived
in the same Alpine town – Lugrin – and were both hunters said to
be in dispute over a number of issues, including some £12,000 which
Mr Cottet-Dumoulin had lent Mr Hauteville.
But today Mr
Cottet-Dumoulin’s body was found hanging in his cell at Aiton
Penitentiary, close to Albertville and Chambéry. Police said there
were no suspicious circumstances.”
Read
more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790143/hunter-held-connection-gun-murder-french-builder-50-miles-three-britons-shot-dead-dead.html#ixzz3G7tFYrCc
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Now these two deaths could be totally unrelated to the Al Hilli saga despite certain similarities in the “modus operandi”. What similarities? Victim killed in car behind wheel. Engine still running. Shot in the head. Remote forest road. Money allegedly involved. In the same region of France. Eric Maillaud put in charge. Victim and alleged assailant similar age group. Forestry/farming connections. Gun/hunting involvement. “Respected” civil position. Suspect commits “suicide”.
If unrelated, these similarities are strange to say the least.
One of the strangest strangenesses (!) is the uncanny resemblance of the late Mr Cottet-Dumoulin’s facial features to that of the published “photo-fit” (that wasn’t actually a photo-fit) of the helmeted biker, introduced into the story belatedly (one year late) only as a result of the claimed ONF mole on the BBC Panorama programme. We have already had a lookalike in the arrested trained marksman Eric Devouassoux, 48.
Does everyone in the Haute Savoie look alike?
Then as you point out Michael Norton we had the case of the questioned suspect, ex-legionnaire, who although subsequently cleared of any connection to the Chevaline crime, was so disturbed by being questioned by police, that he shot himself after leaving a suicide note, the contents of which have never been revealed. EM (how he must question his role in life sometimes) incredibly wasn’t sure whether it was six or seven pages. Or was it seven or eight – I can’t now precisely recall? Even more amazingly the police statement that there were signs of an altercation at the scene caused not a moments hesitation in Eric’s mind that just possibly foul play was involved. Even before the forensics were in, he had determined this was definitely suicide. These tough Legionnaires obviously have a very sensitive side!
Now returning to the recent death in prison custody of Cottet-Dumoulin, we have to ask how was it allowed to happen. It is internationally acknowledged that the state has a duty of care in such situations. Was he considered a suicide risk? Was he under observation and how? How long before he was discovered? Who entered his cell and when? What records are required and kept in his case? How come in a prison used to such things, was a suitable ligature available? Who discovered him and what resuscitation techniques were applied if any? What post mortem tests/examinations as to cause or chemicals?
All these questions need to be answered but will they. Any murder/suicide requires them. The fact that these events cannot be separated from the Chevaline ones until proved otherwise, makes it even more imperative. We are all aware that in any conspiracy to kill, particularly if these are initiated by state organisations, not only the victim target is at risk but also witnesses who might give away sensitive information, know anything about the operation, as well as the assassins themselves, are at great risk. That the recent fatalities and earlier ones might fall into one or more of these categories cannot be ruled out, as Eric appears to be able to do with such confidence.
Are the French interested/concerned? I somehow doubt it. More likely a Gallic shrug of the shoulders and “c’est la vie”, or more appropriately, “c’est la mort”! Where official channels of investigation appear to be so incompetent and unsuccessful, alternative ones appear to be the only hope. It would be a very brave newspaper or private investigator who would risk his life looking into this corrupt and dangerous world, so we should not hold our breaths. Only a huge French or British outcry with the outrageous situation is might get results, and how likely is that?
I
expect I left relevant stuff out,
like
the fact that Sylvain Mollier is pivotal in all this:
He
is related to Mr. Communal-Tournier;
he
works in the Nuclear Industry,
yet
we have not been told officially what work he does
or
why he was on a three year break;
we
have not been told his back story;
what
is the significance of the suicided
eXparatrooper/mountainman/legionnair/Sapeur-Pompier
who
was involved with the sister of Sylvain;
what
weapon or weapons was used to kill the Mollier family
aquaintance,
why
no recent photograph of Sylvain, when one has been supplied for
Mr.&Mrs.al-Hilli,
why
no photograh at all of Mrs. al-Hilli’s mother;
what
is the significance of putting Eric Maillaud in charge of all these
unexplained deaths?
Don’t you think it odd that a Jean Claude Deronzier holds this patent:
http://www.google.ca/patents/US3878885
How many can there be, connected to Ugine?
I don’t know if this paper on desalination plants is connected to him:
There is someone with the same surname here:
http://patentsobserver.com/public/author/show.action?toShow=DERONZIER+ALAIN
Back to JC:
http://www.chasseursdesavoie.com/InfoliveDocuments/bulletin/chasser_81.pdf
Another hunting club!
The
Maire of Doussard, Jean-Claude Deronzier, who is also the president
of
Faverges,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faverges#mediaviewer/File:Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Faverges_%28entr%C3%A9e%29.JPG
and
chief majistrate of the area, falls off a local cliff, nothing
further is said in public?
A
car in reverse gear with the engine running is apparently found with
three adult occupants double tapped and shot in the chest.
A
local cyclist is adjacent with seven bullet wounds, a child is shot
and bashed.
On
the same day a previous husband of one of the victims is also found
dead in his car with the engine running – on a different continent,
he is not given an autopsy?
A
few day later “Twig” drives his car down an embankment, whilst
sitting in the back seat and is found dead, we are not told what he
was doing or who was previously with him?
The
home of the Communal-Tournier’s in home-jacked ( the son’s of
Mr.Deronzier are married to the daughter’s of Mr.C-T.
Nicole
is shot dead in her own home, this happens one week after the E-Fit
is released?
A
man who may have been having a liason with the sister of Sylvain
Mollier is found shot dead in his flat, yet six months later this
man’s name is not made public,
even
though it has been said it was most likely suicide?
A
person is hurled down a gorge and drowned, then clibs up the cliff
and hangs itself, yet no name is given.
Bringing forward Bluebird’s work:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-94/
About Cluses:
http://www.latribunerepublicaine.fr/Actualite/Fil_Infos_regionales/article_1426661.shtml
Bluebird
MN
i did a pretty good review regarding the Kurdish Havutcu clan and their brothers names of Faverges.
The french couple (a guy and a girl) who had a did both beat them up in a fight in the pizzeria were both members of the ski club of Doussard but their names are unknown. After having been in that fight in the pizzeria and beaten up the Havutcu brothers there, they left and joint the ball of the ski club of doussard in july 2012. At about midnight, the Kurds showed up at the ball in doussard together with several kurdish friends and waited for that couple outside for them leaving that party and in in a “vendetta” ( words used by the judge) they did beat up the guy and the girl with baseball sticks and heavily injured both of them.
“Two
armed men hijacked the helicopter in Albertville
to use in the
jail break from Aiton.
Guess
what is astonishingly close to The Pharmacie-Schutz-Morrange
both
the prison Aiton but the helecopter site is just two miles from the
pharmacie, you could even cycle there.
SAF based in Grignon
http://www.saf-helicopters.com/en/groupe_SAF-HELICAP/histoire.php
thanx Q 12 Oct 6.36pm
Aiton helecopter prison escape
http://www.liberation.fr/tribune/2005/02/02/patrice-alegre-triste-alter-ego_508218
It’s always helpful to search news articles for a lawyer’s other clients. Sometimes you need to pick a name you think might be connected and search it in combination with the lawyer’s name.
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2007/09/23/22917-la-cavale-ratee-de-pascal-payet.html
He suggested a new lawyer for Patrice Alegre.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Al%C3%A8gre
Note:
“The case Alègre custody of shadows. The murders were reported as suicides by the police to the arrest of Alegre. Several witnesses said the killer has long been protected by the police and by the senior magistrate Pierre Roche. Former Constable Roussel are 191 unsolved murders in the area. The organization Stop oblivion brings together victims’ families, who continue to demand the truth about the case, citing “disappearances, assassinations and suicide disguised as surveys these truncated, distorted, sloppy, etc.”
Of
course Sylvain Mollier would have known
the
Maire of Doussard Jean-Claude Deronzier,
J-C
was also the President of Faverges
as
well as being the chief majistrate of the area
but
JC was also a cyclist as is his wife.
Tim Veater
No doubt this is “old news” to all you spotters: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-al-hilli-murders-recap-4602965
I must read all your observations but these are mine, and please excuse if I am merely repeating points you have already made but here goes none the less.
First a general one regarding Coroners’ Inquests: I can’t help thinking it was time the role and function was reviewed. After what appears was the briefest of sessions, the finding of “Unlawful Killing” would almost be comical if it were not so serious. What were the alternatives, suicide, misadventure? The Coroner had to retire to consider the verdict, this after more than two years of police investigation and news stories.
One cannot help but notice that the proceedings appeared to be intentionally low key. For example there is no mention of a jury which in such an high profile case is I would have thought highly unusual. Clearly none of the parties to the case demanded it or were intent of using the occasion to shed light on events. For some reason, everyone was keeping schtum. Nor predictably was the French Mollier family in evidence it would seem either as witnesses or observers, indicating there is nothing further they need or wish to learn. Nor obviously did the Coroner believe there was anything that they might have contributed to the many outstanding questions including why they were shot together in that remote location.
However despite the the very superficial nature of the proceedings, as so often happens, a few new and significant details manage to emerge. Obviously I wasn’t there but newspapers report the “inquest was resumed”. I assume this means it was opened many months ago and put on hold until police enquiries had been completed. It may therefore be an indicator that the murder hunt has all but concluded.
Note how few witnesses there were at the Inquest – effectively only Zaid. The questioning appears to have only come from the Coroner himself, in other words, although I cannot be sure obviously, it appears none of the interested parties were legally represented. The forum was clearly not intended to illicit any new information or searching light as to cause. It maybe worth contrasting with the Inquest for Lady Diana in which Al Fayed employed top barrister to cross examine witnesses at length. As I said this inquest clearly shows no one really wanted to inquire too deeply.
Only three witnesses it seems: Zaid in person; Brett Martin by written statement – again confirming an agreement not to question in person; and a Surrey detective inspector. Not one of the many others who could have been asked to give evidence under oath. The opportunity lost. This cannot be accidental.
In addition the very significant British post mortem findings were made public. Well some of them. Again the information is only sufficient to give the impression of detail. In fact it is again superficial: no body maps, or exact location of the bullet wounds or the assumptions made on the back of them – type of bullet, direction of trajectory, timing etc. All this nicely brushed over. No need to go there.
But from this we may at least gather there WAS a post mortem examination in Britain by a Home Office pathologist. If so we can be certain it was far more detailed and scientific than the court report might indicate. This is how “Get Surrey” reports it:
“The inquest heard that the postmortems for Saad, Ikbal and Suhaila, carried out at the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Surrey, had similar results to those found by the French authorities.
Saad’s body had seven gunshot wounds, in the head and trunk.
Ikbal’s body had gunshot wounds to the neck and chest, and Suhaila had three gunshot wounds – in the head and neck.
It is thought all three victims would have died extremely rapidly.”
If I am not mistaken this is the first time we have had it confirmed that there was a second (British) autopsy. It says it confirms the French findings. So is this confirmation that yet again the French Prosecutor was lying to us? Only now do we discover authoritatively that SAH was hit by SEVEN bullets and his female companions at least TWICE and THREE times. Not only does Eric Mailaud stand accused of cover up but of factual disinformation.
Then on an arithmetical level it poses the question if SM was indeed shot seven times as reported, we now have no less than 19 certified “hits” maybe more of 23 bullets fired? This is incredible accuracy that only a professional shooter could achieve. It obviously leaves out of the calculation the bullet injury to Zaina. Apart from any other consideration, it definitively rules out Mailaud’s stated opinion that the shooting took place as the car reversed at speed. It confirms the the French version of events must have been an intentional lie.
The many wounds Saad received also confirms INTENT and DETERMINATION to kill him. It may also indicate his efforts to escape and the accuracy of the shooter as he did so.
Now as to Brett Martin’s evidence, the first thing to note this is a travesty of a report. It is so truncated as to be almost an insult to the Coroner process. However it is interesting to note two or three new elements: Zaina falls on her face (again she is “covered in blood” which was directly contradicted by Philip ?); now he sees “smashed windows” – that’s new – but he still smashes the driver’s window; and now rather strangely he gives a precise distance of SM’s body from the car – 30 cm! That’s a FOOT! He’s now saying SM’s body was virtually “cheek by jowl” next to the car. So how to explain the photograph of the position of his body? Even a dumbo like me would be tempted to ask BM “How then do you explain the position of the body in this photograph Mr Martin?” Not only did the question occur to the Coroner apparently, but Mr Martin wasn’t there to answer it.
What could be more significant than than the question, “If BM found SM’s body next to the car, how come it ended up where it did” and “If BM moved it there, why did he do it and why has he not made this clear in his statement to the Coroner?”
Then we have ZAH’s evidence. No longer making accusations as to French causes. No reference to the injustice of being arrested at the request of the French. However we do have the view that SAH was unfamiliar with the area. Excuse me this is directly contrary to previous statements that he had been to the area regularly. Why the change? What is the truth.
“Zaid Al-Hiilli said his brother liked driving holidays and had a caravan.
He and his wife would plan their trips a few weeks in advance.
Zaid Al-Hilli said his brother would not have been that familiar with the Lake Annecy area in France, but that they had visited the area as children.
He does not believe the family had visited more recently than the summer of the murder, in 2012.”
This is so contrary to previous reports – my god there is even a photograph of them there at an earlier time – why was it not challenged, why was it being made? Was it just to add further confusion or to provide a superficial explanation as to why he might be “lost”?
He says Saad met his wife in Ikbal in Abu Dhabi. I know I am easily confused but I thought up to now the storey was they met in Dubai? Does this not deserve explanation?
Then we have the direct contradiction even at the hearing, which again goes unchallenged. Zaid says: “He does not believe the family had visited more recently than the summer of the murder, in 2012.”
DCI Mark Preston says: “Saad Al-Hilli was working as a contractor for Surrey Satellite Technology when he died. He had applied to take annual leave earlier in the year but had been unable to do so. The family had visited a different area of France in June of the same year.”
The police evidence in the person of Mark Preston relates it seems merely to observations on the family photographs. Is this the best the police can supply to a Coroner if the purpose of the court is to determine the cause of the person’s death? In passing however it suggests somehow or other the British police managed to get hold of the camera which one would have expected the French would have kept as a significant piece of evidence. Obliquely just this little fact suggests this was never a typical investigation.
As far as the Coroner’s Court is concerned it is obviously just a window exercise with no serious intent to inquire into circumstances or cause. The more worrying point is that the Coroner’s Inquest is no longer fit for purpose, and citizens can no longer rely on it in any way should they die in suspicious circumstances.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/saad-al-hilli-murder-coroners-finds-8072965
Tim Veater
My limited experience taught me you could only rely on what you discovered, first hand, for yourself in serious incidents and fatalities. Everyone involved, even those who are in theory independent and impartial, have an angle. We have observed this in high profile cases time and time again. Low profile cases can pass without any particular notice, particularly if there is no family able or willing to pursue the issues. We have also seen how families of those affected (de Menezes/Zygier/Williams/Lawrence and so on) are either bribed and/or blocked, in either finding out the truth or having it revealed. The Al Hilli’s are a case in point. Either in the interests of the children or for other reasons of which we are unaware, they have kept a very low profile throughout, other than Zaid’s rather muted accusation that the reason for the shooting was France based. This was almost quid quo pro for the French “equal and opposite” one. This I believe was just spookland verbal games to confuse and distort the true reasons behind the attack, part of what all along was the over-riding necessity to string the thing out for long enough for the media to loose interest, which they now largely have. A Google search reveals the only national paper to take up the story was the Daily Mirror. All the rest appear to be local rags. In the case of the BBC it is BBC Surrey which yet again devotes the reportage to regurgitating the bald facts. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-29989759 In other words not only is the Inquest superficial in the extreme, it is also largely ignored by the mainstream media. This is an old tactic, because it can “put the case to rest” without ever actually critically examining it. For anyone who raises questions now, the answer will be, “Well the Coroner found it was an unlawful killing – period”. The fact that this was a statement of the obvious that could have been made over two years ago is neither here nor there. If we had a genuine process to get to the bottom of “cause of death” that the Inquest is supposed to supply, everyone with eye witness and “back-room” involvement, would be called to give evidence under oath. Of course French witnesses could not be compelled to attend a British jurisdiction, but they could have been requested to attend and if they refused certain implications could be drawn in line with the amended “Caution” if arrested. Ironically of course, the Coroner’s Inquest is the one surviving of inquisitorial justice akin to the French system based on Roman rather than British Common Law. In response to a question by Michael Norton, the only sure way of knowing what went on at the Inquest was to be there. Newspaper reports may be fairly reliable as to what they report but crucially it is impossible to know what they leave out. It is possible to request from the Coroner a copy of his report of proceedings. Rather amazingly (in this day and age) there is no actual transcript unless someone present takes one. There is no official who has this duty so again there is great opportunity for inaccuracy. In this connection I would be interested to learn how Peter obtained his specific information about the bullets and injuries as I haven’t seen these details mentioned in the press reports. Perhaps I have just missed them. So the point I am making is that as a mechanism for revealing the truth, the inquest, this one in particular, is woefully inadequate. Further that any information revealed and reported is by its very nature partial and intentional. In that respect it it is a repeat of previous output from the British side. It does little to clarify or inform other than to contradict the French output. It is unlikely this is for general public as probably few notice the differences and even less care. So I conclude it is more for the French. Just little reminders to them that we know they were lying. This of course does not mean that we are “telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth” either. Both sides are up to their necks in obfuscation over this one, and the reason is no clearer after the Inquest. The least it could have done was to have provided clear and detailed information about the crime scene and injuries. It did not even do that apparently.
Craig murray https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis-continued/comment-page-3/#comment-504622
Tim Veater
I made the point at the very beginning but it may be worth repeating for those who have arrived later:
Chevaline occurred 40 years to the day following the Black September attack at the Munich Olympics. Not only is anniversary highly significant as an indicator but so is the number 40 which appears throughout the Bible. What are the chances, when linked to all the other indicators, that these are purely coincidental?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3mCMcud2jI
Now feed in the fact that this was a joint operation with the notorious Baader-Meinhof Group. Could this explain, if true, the use of the iconic Luger pistol, although Mossad choice was the Beretta. The remnants of the group only dissolved as late as 1998!
The RAF was founded in 1970 by Andreas Baader, Gudrun Ensslin, Horst Mahler, and Ulrike Meinhof. It is called “RAF”! The Germans allowed the three surviving terrorists to escape later when threatened by a Munich plane hi-jack.
Twelve people are identified for retributive assassination and the operation called “Wrath of God”,lasted at least thirty years. There is no confirmation it ever ceased. The location of the Chevaline killing could not have been more fine-tuned if you tried. It of course is called Combe d’Ire – “ire” meaning “anger; wrath”.
Black September is born in Beirut, Lebanon. The Israeli assassination squad is based in Paris (recent poignant connections!!!!) under the leadership of Mike Harari (February 18, 1927 – September 21, 2014) Hariri had a lifetime as an Israeli hired assassin. The first victim in Libya was shot 12 times to represent the number of targets. See how Mossad works? It is steeped in Jewish symbolism and never misses a trick to emphasise it. Like the Fox, it cannot resist leaving its marking card on any available rock.
I am convinced that Operation Wrath of God is the lock and it is the victims that are the key. That is not to say that there might not have been additional levels of purpose or “justification” for the killings but I think it is in the history and background of the victims that the explanation most likely resides. This is supported circumstantially by the extreme secrecy surrounding the biographical details and visual representation of the victims, particularly SM and SAH’s mother-in law, Suhaila al-Allaf, 74. This of course would have made her 34 at the time of Munich. Was she connected to any of the Black September conspirators or more broadly Hezbollah.
As for SM we know his father was closely connected to left wing nationalist politics. Were there links, tenuous or otherwise to the RAF grouping that lasted (rather akin to the IRA) up to at least 1998?
The historic connections (so well researched by BB in the past) might well have been compounded by later ones, but I feel sure this is where the ultimate explanation will be uncovered if it is. We could do with another succinct update BB if you are still following this thread!
Latest: “Lebanon has not recovered from its 2006 war with Israel and sending fighters to Syria has stretched Hezbollah’s capabilities. In addition, the strike came at a sensitive time for the group.
Hezbollah is trying to contain the damage caused by one of its operatives who confessed to spying for Israel in a case that shattered the group’s aura of impenetrability.
The suspected spy is believed to have leaked Hezbollah’s plans to avenge the assassination of Imad Mughniyah.
Mughniyah, whose son was killed in the strike last week, was implicated in the 1983 bombings of the US Embassy and US and French barracks in Beirut, and attacks on Israeli targets. Hezbollah accuses Israel of killing him, which Israel denies.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4618294,00.html
Proof of Israeli continuing assassination:
“senior member of Lebanon’s Islamic Jihad Organization and Hezbollah. Information about Mughniyeh is limited, but he is generally understood to have been a principal leader and operative for a number of years within Hezbollah’s military, intelligence, and security apparatuses. He may also have been among the founders of Hezbollah in the 1980s.
“Mughniyeh was killed on 12 February 2008 by a car bomb that detonated as he passed by on foot,[6] around 11:00 pm local time in the Kafr Sousa neighborhood of Damascus, Syria.[7][8][9] In January 2015, his son Jihad Mughniyeh, along with a number of other Hezbollah commanders, were killed, supposedly by Israel, by an an airstrike, while reportedly planning an attack on Israeli citizens. Israel refused to comment.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imad_Mughniyah
We have of course covered this ground before but what is intriguing about the 1979 assassination of Ali Hassan Salameh was the role of a British woman who acted as an Israeli agent and was thought to be crucial in the timing of the exploding VW that also killed (murdered) innocent passers by. Her brother turned out to be a leading British judge, Nicholas Mordaunt Chambers QC.
The DM also draws a parallel with the 2010 murder in Dubai of Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Mabhouh by Israelis using an Irish woman, “Gail Folliard”. The links with the arrest and death of Ben Zygier have been well discussed. If nothing else, it proves Mossad assassination teams were active right up to the Chevaline incident. Passports and finding them in strange places keeps appearing a standard feature in these state inspired terrorist events also. One might almost say they are a “trademark”. (9/11; Paris; Chevaline; 7/7? besides the ones mentioned here) Note too how Mossad ALWAYS has a well-developed escape plan for its operatives, then link this to EM’s comment that this was “the perfect crime” and it all fits.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11078980/Al-Hilli-Alps-murder-may-be-perfect-crime-say-French-two-fruitless-years-on.html
Israel can hardly claim it is beyond suspicion can it?
Now as to Judge Chambers here’s an interesting twist: he retired precisely nine days following the Al Hilli assassinations and co-incidentally the same day as injured Zainab returned to England following hospital treatment.http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/news/zainab-al-hilli/
“His Honour Judge Nicholas Mordaunt Chambers QC retired as the Specialist Judge at the Cardiff Civil Justice Centre on 14 September 2012.
Notes
to editors
His Honour Judge Chambers QC (68) was called to the Bar
(G) in 1966 and took Silk in 1985. He was appointed as an Assistant
Recorder in 1983, as a Recorder in 1987, as a Deputy High Court Judge
in 1999 and as a Senior Circuit Judge in 1999, based at Cardiff Civil
Justice Centre.”
http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/judicial-appointments/judicial-retirement-210912-116
It is worth noting that the modus operandi of the Mughniyeh February 2008 assassination repeats almost precisely (car bomb as he passed by) that of Ali Hassan Salameh’s almost thirty years prior. You see how a continuous thread runs through these killings?
Perhaps we should also point out that Ali Hassan Salameh, recognised as a CIA agent, was previously married to a woman, about whom there appears to be virtually nothing on the internet which to say the least is rather surprising.
Tim Veater
The composite James with the multiple personality? Only a handful of contributions in the last four pages. Then you crop up with some Foreign Office type assessment of Argentina @ James 27 Jan, 2015 – 1:21 pm. It’s intelligent and reasoned and quite polite. James 27 Jan, 2015 – 12:48 am is another one, analytical and fairly objective regarding CIA/Mossad and other Israeli/US stuff, although you make the mistake of attributing “New World Order Bullshit” to me which I have NEVER supported here. Why would you do that and why the sensitivity to writing “bullshit” in full when you show a complete absence of embarrassment elsewhere in your abusive rants? I have always thought there was more than one person behind that type-writer of yours.
The reasoning “James” contrasts with this one :-
James 9 Jan, 2015 – 4:37 pm “Result ! Well done the French. Hope they died a really bad death (but likely brief). Fingers crossed all hostages are safe. Maybe they’ll drag there bodies through the streets…. like they do in the Yemen.”
Note the inability to differentiate between “there” and “their” always a give away.
Then able to quote Goethe ? How do YOU pronounce it btw? All very strange.
James
27
Jan, 2015 – 10:57 pm “No Tim. Goethe said “Behaviour is the
mirror in which everyone shows their image”
Then all the examples of gloating offensiveness typical of the violent bully, invariably ultra sensitive to assumed insult; insensitive to the feelings of others.
“Why do you do what you do (…and do it badly) ? You have been shown to be a “loon” (yet again, fact beat lies). Give it up. Go home. And post your racism somewhere else.”
“Even
more proof…that you’re a fool.
And from your very own hand !”
This “It’s hilarious. Tim didn’t read the box ! The man is a fool. He’s an ape ! LOL “ and
“Too late Tim….. You look a dick ! At least Michael and NotForgettingFrenchBashing actual make relevant points. You know yourself you talk shit. And everyone can now see it.” and
“42…
and 42 ….and 42 ! You have a theory based on “random numbers”
!!!!!!
D + I + C + K = DICK !” and this “No Quarter Asked, No
Quarter Given.” and
“Or better put…. When you spot a “blaggard”, make sure you show them as the lying sh*t they are.”
plus thinly veiled threats (we went through all that back at the beginning)
all far more indicative of “blaggard” I would say.
“Methinks you protest too much” Either that or you must be an obsessive/compulsive personality type who for some inscrutable reason has fixated on me and the one mistake you have found to hang a thousand insults on. Poor old you.
NotForgettingFrenchBashing
Tim
Veater
29 Jan, 2015 – 10:08 am sorry but that really is a load of rubbish. I have from the beginning been concerned about the circumstances of Chevaline and the people involved. I am on early record drawing attention to the many inconsistencies and misinformation that have subsequently been confirmed by leaked information. The problem with these events (as with the Charlie Hebdo incident) is limited information and the reliability of the sources. The circumstances of the event may shout a con, but it is quite another matter to prove it. Sometimes analysis and the conclusions drawn from it can be quite wrong (as with that getaway car!) but that does not mean all criticism is negated. There is something very suspect about those who make generalities from particulars and we must all guard against those potential pitfalls. However it is now proven fact (Gladio et al) that governments, including western governments inspire and carry out terrorist incidents, purely to blame the other side. It is also fact that governments are deeply involved in assassination so these things do not need to be proved. In the case of Israel Operation Wrath of God that went on until at LEAST the mid-90’s is an accepted FACT even by Israel itself. This is NOT anti-Semitism which has been erroneously and illegally levied against me, it is objective criticism of state terrorism. I am equally critical of elements of British and American policy as indeed I am of Muslim countries when they act inhumanely. “Anti-Semitic” is an oft used and cheap jibe intended to stifle rational debate. I am no more anti-Jew than I am anti-American but I am definitely against intentionally bombing civilians under the cover of a civilian plane crash, or killing people with drones whether they are guilty of any offence or not. Nor can any reasonable person support the alleged actions of Muslim extremists including so-called ISIS but only a fool could ignore the way these groups have been inflamed, trained, led and financed by western interests, to see how convoluted and corrupt the whole process has become. Finally I try to ignore the sustained and unjustified insults and slurs from a certain quarter on here. I almost regard them as a badge of honour and proof that there must have been an element of truth in what I have said. I believe if you had received the sort of sustained and personal invective, you too might have been prompted to reply. Most on here, with a couple of notable exceptions, keep to the topics in hand. The exceptions prove the rule that when you loose the argument you attack the person.
Incidentally
I can’t help noticing how your spelling markedly improved on that
last one NotForgettingFrenchBashing
29
Jan, 2015 – 10:08 am!
What
could be the explanation? I hope you arn’t loosing your sense of
humour – LOL
Tim Veater
At
the beginning we had many contributors here. Sadly they have
gradually seeped away although of course we do not know how many
still pop in to view. This is a natural consequence of time and
interest flagging. It begs the question why DO some remain? I for my
part I left the blog for a long time and went elsewhere, returning
only comparatively recently. Strange how some icons seemed to pop up
again also. I do it partly to pass the time but also because I
believe it would be a travesty of justice to allow the incident and
its implications to be forgotten, partly because clearly that is what
both the French and British governments would prefer. As I have
always suggested, the case raises far wider questions than just the
brutal murder of four people. It is also a test of the robustness and
reliability of our judicial systems and government integrity. Charlie
Hebdo is living (or dying) proof of the issues at stake, which again
go much further than Paris. Ukraine is currently the focus of a new
Cold War, as much in propaganda and manipulation as it is in weaponry
and destruction. Thousands killed and hundreds of thousands misplaced
by essentially western backed bombardment of civilian areas (again)
under the cover of a wholly imbalanced and biased news media (I have
just watched the BBC 1 o’clock news from which you would have
thought the called “separatists” had bombed themselves!) Hollande
did an unscheduled stop off to see Putin in December to suggest ways
to resolve the Ukraine situation and to warn him of a false flag
event
apparently.http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/49151cbe-7d72-11e4-b927-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3QDl0BiaP
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Mr Putin said Mr Hollande’s brief stop on his flight home from Kazakhstan had been agreed at the G20 summit in Brisbane last month. The Russian president had left that meeting early after western leaders including German chancellor Angela Merkel publicly criticised him over his support for separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine and pressured him to change his stance.”
Instead an event occurs on his own doorstep. Things just happen when you step out of line. In America in an unprecedented move Netanyahu is to speak to Congress widely assumed to undermine Obama’s attempts to negotiate with Iran, whilst passing new measures to militarise the Ukraine. Then France recognises the Palestinian State http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/03/world/europe/france-vote-recognize-palestine.html?_r=0 and votes in favour of it joining the International Criminal Court from which may flow War Crime indictmentshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/11331615/Palestinians-will-join-the-International-Criminal-Court-in-April-UN-confirms.html
The writing was on the wall six months ago. A ten billion dollar fine????? (See below) France has fallen out with BOTH America AND Israel, the Siamese twins of plots and plans. Some argue all this is irrelevant to Chevaline and Charlie Hebdo. I respectfully wish to differ in that opinion.
“Hello to you. There is fury in France tonight. Banking officials there are lashing out at their US counterparts, and it’s threatening to spark a diplomatic row. There’s anger over a proposed fine by American authorities against the French banking giant BNP Paribas. Tonight, the former president of the European Central Bank tells me the punishment would be extraordinarily dangerous.
The United States is investigating BNP Paribas for violating sanctions by doing business with Sudan, Iran, and Syria. The bank is facing a $10 billion fine, the largest criminal penalty ever given by the US — United States.
Now, BNP Paribas could be prevented from moving millions — or millions of dollars, or dollars, whatever it’s got, in and out of the United States. Now, French officials say the fallout could hurt the French economy and could impact trade talks between the US and the European Union.
French foreign minister Laurent Fabius is calling the punishment “unreasonable, unfair, and extremely serious problem.”http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1406/03/qmb.01.html
Tim Veater
It is impossible to over-estimate these world developments as it runs the risk of propelling us into another military confrontation with Russia (beyond the current one) that can easily be seen to proliferate to Iran and even China. The nuclear weapons are still as real as at Cuba fifty years ago, and the MAD (mutually assured destruction) still as valid. However just in case the West thinks Russia wouldn’t risk using them it has tactfully reminded Europe particularly, it now has the most non-nuclear bomb in existence. Pull the bears tail at your peril Putin is saying.
“In describing the bomb’s destructive power, Russian deputy chief of the general staff Alexander Rukshin was quoted as saying, “all that is alive merely evaporates.”[1] The bomb is reportedly four times as powerful as the US military’s GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb (whose official military acronym “MOAB” is often colloquially called the “Mother of All Bombs” as a backronym).”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_of_All_Bombs
“Also known as the vacuum bomb, it uses a fuel-air explosive more powerful than TNT.
“It allows us to reduce accuracy requirements, which makes it cheaper. But it’s still a quality modern weapon,” said Yury Batylko, a head of Department at the Defence Ministry Research Institute.
The bomb explodes in mid-air and its destructive power comes from extremely high temperatures and aftershocks, which incinerate everything nearby.
Powerful fuel-air bombs scorch the earth over a wide area, leaving it looking like the surface of the moon. “http://rt.com/news/russia-tests-worlds-most-powerful-bomb/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJzASnmmxIM
Tim Veater
I
certainly try not to be “bigoted” NotForgettingFrenchBashing
29
Jan, 2015 – 3:44 pm. What I try to be is reasonable and logical and
keep out of personal attacks and insults on here but when they are
continuous, even a worm (such as I) turns. Why would someone want to
be personally insulting and/or threatening but this is nothing new?
It has happened ever since this person has appeared. I can only
conclude it is harassment intended to stop me contributing to the
thread. Indeed I have done so in the past. However you have lost me
when you come to the “French bashing” bit. If you mean my
criticism of both the French and British investigation, and perhaps I
should rewrite that to say the French and British investigation “that
they have made public”, how could anyone not be critical? Not even
after two and a half years have they even provided a convincing
narrative of events. How can you explain allowing everyone in to
contaminate the murder scene before declaring the forensics on-going.
Lying (as proved by the elicit leaked photos) as to the location of
the shooting. And many other examples of truth for the wrong reasons
or duplicity for the right ones? And there is nothing to brag about
on the British side just silence. I differentiate between the
apparent investigation and the real one because I am quite sure both
sides of the channel must know what happened and who did it.
Consequently that the statement by EM that they have no idea (not
specifically replicated by the British side) must surely be less than
honest? I am not in a position to judge EM as I have no idea to what
extent he is “in the loop” or subject to higher authority and
direction. As far as the victims are concerned I cannot claim any
more than the feelings of empathy common to all human beings
particularly as it touches upon the fate and loss of two young
children, to whom the approach of the British authorities was as
troubling as it was suspicious. Clearly from whatever quarter the
threat emanated, the British authorities were convinced that it
remained even back in Britain. That alone says a lot about the true
nature of it. Why you write in that faux English – well that truly
is inexplicable.
Whilst on the topic of alleged “French bashing” let us return just for the moment to the murder scene on the 5th September, 2012 and specifically the circumstances surrounding the discovery and rescue of four year old Zaina. Huffington post had this on the 9/9/2012:
“A four-year-old girl who hid under the corpse of her dead mother following a gun attack in the French Alps has returned to Britain, Sky News has reported. Zaina al-Hilli lay undiscovered for eight hours after the attack. Her aunt and uncle are thought to have accompanied her back to Britain, after travelling to the area in the wake of the shootings, reported AFP.”
The Ibiza Sun had this “There was shock and speculation last week when a young child was found, in a car, having survived a brutal gun attack which killed her parents in the southeastern French Alps. Four-year-old Zaina al Hilli was discovered cowering under the body of her dead mother, Iqbal.”
In the same report it states Police officer Benoit Vinneman told reporters that the crime scene was being re-examined, and that it would be wrong to focus on the theory of an “ordered execution”. “Is this the work of a crazy person? Was the family the real target? Only work based on complete information can help us to see things clearly.” http://www.theibizasun.com/issues/bi_noticias.asp?id=76&categ=11
Take
a look at this video reconstruction apparently published 19 February
2014 that I haven’t come across before nor its publisher with
apparently is a collaboration with Reuters so ostensibly fairly
reliable you might think. It’s made by “Next Media Animation.
News Direct” “3D ANIMATED
GRAPHICS SERVICE FOR
NEWS MEDIA
OUTLETS
WORLDWIDE
Partnering with Reuters, the world’s
largest multimedia news agency, to visually enhance your breaking
news stories and in-depth features.”
You will immediately notice there are some rather startling divergences from the official story line whilst replicating disproved ones. How could this happen a full 18 months after the event? Surely after this passage of time they (meaning Reuters that has a reputation to protect) wouldn’t have simply guessed? NB. This was AFTER the elicit crime scene photos had been published.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxtkQQF96F4
First change, the shooter comes from the bottom of the lay-by NOT the top as EM/police had stated.
Second change, they suggest the motor cyclist does the shooting and that his bike is behind him facing up hill as if he has just arrived. This clashes with the forester’s testimony that when he drove down he passed (the?) motor cyclist turning into the park
Third change, or perhaps more correctly, replicating early reports, locating Zainab and SM’s bodies to the front right of the car. This is specifically contradicted by the photograph of the dead body of Sylvain, substantiated by blood stains. If the animation is accurate his body had to be moved to its new location before it had the chance to bleed where it fell. WBM admitted he moved the body. If so it would have to have been immediately after the shooting.
Third change, note there is no mention now of a wide reverse sweep from the top of the lay by whilst under fire. This was a crucial element of the French interpretation that I for one strenuously argued against. If this animation is accurate, it dispenses with it completely and suggests as I argued at the time, only a straight reverse happened.
Fourth change, it shows the motor cyclist passing WBM but note in completely the OPPOSITE direction, as WBM is shown approaching the car on his RIGHT hand side which could only be achieved if he was cycling down hill. This is such an obvious error does it reflect the truth or was it introduced to confuse or just as a result of incompetence on the part of the animator?
Fifth change, it places SM to the right of the car. Apart from an obvious question why he would be there if a total stranger, it clashes with the photographic record insofar as his bike was at the OPPOSITE end of the lay-by. Would the investigators have moved it so far away even if they had moved it? This at a crime scene where they were careful to disturb nothing?
Sixth change, two forestry workers are now shown STANDING with no sign of a vehicle. The motor cyclist goes past them, presumably leaving the seen, shown going DOWN hill. This would place them BELOW the crime scene not above as previously stated, which introduces many more problems such as EVERYONE presumably must have passed them both up and down. There is no reasonable explanation for this. Also note prominently displayed, the forester has what appears a short wave radio or at least mobile phone. If indeed there were standing below why have we not heard their input?
Seventh change, there is absolutely no mention of the BMW x5 that the British police reported going up at the exact time or of passing WBM in his version of events. Why have they written it out of the script?
Eighth change/inaccuracy, it says the photo-fit was produced “after the event”. This in no way conveys the inexplicable fact that this was over a YEAR later and only because of the previously hidden involvement of TWO forestry teams in vehicles revealed by a Panorama programme!
An 18 Feb arrest is depicted as if the crime has been solved. Misleading to say the least.
Perhaps the only thing we can draw from this is that “Next Media Animation” and by extension Reuters, is not very reliable. Alternatively if accurate it raises fundamental questions about the official narrative.
Now take another look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxtkQQF96F4
Now here is an image of the crime scene I have NEVER seen before!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nh4VlyH69Q
It appears to have been taken at night and shows the car in situ, virtually all bullet casement locations marked and what appears to be the outline of a recumbant body wich we must assume is SM. It’s a very revealing crime scene photo graph apparently posted over a year ago on you tube (5.1.2014) yet not referred to by EM as far as I am aware. Fifteen bullets are identified which ties in with EM initial report before discovering an extra 9(?) It appears genuine. Again I would point out the position of SM which differs diametrically from the animation just discussed. Evidence of further flash (photographs?) can be seen so this is a video clip rather than a photograph it would appear. It confirms yet again the shooting took place at the bottom of the lay by not the top. (When in the French chat room several attacked me for suggesting this contrary to the official version put out by the police that they must have known was inaccurate)
It is one of a series of ten apparently. Sadly for my the principal language is French with no sub titles so if any of you French speakers haven’t seen it, you might like to. About one hour forty in all I guess.
Craig Murray 31.1.15
Pink – even at this late stage those two You tube clips were new to me and confirm or challenge salient points of the official French narrative. They deserve an answer but total silence from the authorities. This is quite extraordinary. How can EM and the system behind him refuse to address what appears to be blatantly false information put out by them? They stated the attack came from the top of the layby and the car reversed. Now we can all see irrefutable evidence that all the fifteen shots are at the BOTTOM of the lay-by plainly contradicting this account. This is but ONE instance where the factual evidence cannot support the official account. There are many more. Why do the French press not challenge the inconsistencies at least? As long as there is no explanation of them, how can there be any confidence in the French investigative or judicial systems, indeed of the French Government itself which has supported it? And if it cannot be trusted in this one is it any surprise that people will question other events such as Charlie Hebdo?
No 'Tracks'.
Anyone following this case must be aware that even after nearly eighteen months of intensive investigation, by a team of at least eighty policemen, with access to virtually unlimited modern forensic and electronic resources; the brightest and best intellectual powers that France and Britain could provide; has achieved, it is claimed, virtually …. zilch! That is apart from two/three arrests that have proved only that the individuals concerned were not implicated in the killings.
Should we empathise or sympathise with the unfortunate Eric Maillaud (http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2012/09/06/534×267/1756704_3_07e5_le-procureur-de-la-republique-eric-maillaud_8e91bcf513bb7472bcdcad30b735df00.png) who has been forced into the role of hapless mouthpiece of what can only be described as a morass of blundering obfuscation, incompetence and failure. The fact that he has been retained by a French administrative hierarchy, says something rather profound. His opinions, theories and assessments have been equalled in their banality and confusion only by the amazing sound of silence emanating from the English side of the Channel. The situation can best be summed up thus: the British point the finger at the French and the French point right back and neither say anything of moment.
2. First Anniversary Press Conference, Annecy, France.
One year after the event on the 6th September, 2013, a joint police news conference was held in Annecy.http://www.20min.ch/diashow/55748/55748-vbJybKsmmI3oUd_2Y30rMA.jpg It was somewhat self-congratulatory in tone, but revealed virtually nothing new. More extraordinary, no attempt was made even to clarify any of the idiosyncrasies and apparent contradictions, or to provide a definitive description of such things as the murder scene, the number and location of bullets, spent cartridges and specific injuries, or determined timeline in respect of personnel and vehicles. All of these things were left in a state of flux, perpetuating the impression that the police preferred doubt and confusion, to clarity and certainty. If anyone retained any confidence in the investigation, it was dispelled by the anniversary press conference.
However it was not completely wasted for it spawned a swathe of TV programmes and newspaper articles that contained the odd gem, throwing new light on various aspects. These had the effect of seriously undermining the Prosecutor’s position, rendering his theories untenable and forcing him to rewrite his script. Aerial photographs taken on the day following the shooting can be found at http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02365/al-Hilli_2365268b.jpg and http://static.fairfaxrural.com.au/multimedia/images/large/1992274.jpg and http://deadzone61.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/tuerie-de-chevaline-le-frere-de-al-hilli-arrete-en-grande-bretagne_i151091z2.jpg?w=180&h=89 Maillaud has recently expressed dismay at their publication and threatened legal moves against the company concerned – BFMTV.
3. The Official Interpretation of Events – What Did and Did Not Happen?
Before considering them perhaps we should remind ourselves what Maillaud’s preferred “script” was. (His view of what happened in the lay-by is is shown diagrammatically at http://1.lavenircdn.net/Assets/Images_Upload/actu24/2013/10/22/IDE-TuerieChevaline-01.jpg )
He was firmly of the view that the only target was Saad al Hilli and his family; that local man Sylvain Mollier was not an intended victim, shot merely by chance; that no meeting between the parties was taking place nor was it pre-arranged; that the causation was firmly located in Britain and did not involve France; that the killer acted alone and was probably mentally unstable; only one weapon was used – a pre war Luger 7.65 mm pistol; that the Al Hillis were shot the moment they arrived at or about 3.30 pm and that a photograph in their possession proved they were in the nearby village of Arnand only 15 mins before; that the British ex-RAF pilot, the first to arrive on scene, was a hero; that he made the initial call at 3.48, later changed to Philippe Didierjean/Bossy; that no ONF vehicle or employee was involved in the incident and had been excluded from the investigation; that a Peugeot 2/306 seen rushing from the scene had been traced and eliminated from involvement; that neither reported motor cycle or BMW X5 had been traced; and no useful DNA material had been retrieved. Further that the elder daughter Zainab had been found still just alive and hospitalized immediately with gunshot wound and head fracture but that her younger sister Zeena had secreted herself in the rear foot-well for eight hours before being discovered at or near twelve midnight by specialist investigators brought from Paris.
4. The Brett Martin Televised Interview
Almost a week after the event, and after leaving and returning to the scene from Britain, (William) Brett Martin broke his silence in a very untypical BBC/SKY interview, held not in a usual studio setting, but more a hastily organised room where even the BBC sign hung unprofessionally from the wall. The interview was not only notable in providing much previously unknown detail but also contradicted the French story in one important respect. He was not he claimed responsible for making the alleged first emergency call at 3.48. It was this one significant fact that alerted me to an intentional lie that was to be the first of many emanating from the French side. It was what got me involved in this case at the beginning, and still, as the official story line has continued to unravel. Of course the fascinating question is why the French authorities felt the need to disemble and the British authorities the need to remain silent?
An image of William Brett Martin at his BBC interview is here http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dAwvJiXr5nk/0.jpg and on his bike here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/13/brett-martin-french-alps-shooting-witness-raf-cyclist-speaks-out_n_1880146.html The BBC/SKY interview can be seen here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19587272 and here: http://news.sky.com/story/984702/alps-murders-witness-talks-of-awful-dilemma5. The Evidence of Sylvie Lecouer and Laurent Fillion-Robin.
In addition he has dismissed as unconnected the evidence of Sylvie Lecouer (49) (image here http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a537/ploppiness/Sylvielecoeur3al-hillibbc_zps5c1fd26f.jpg ) who saw small white Peugeot 206 or 306 racing away from the village just before police arrived. I cannot now find a copy of a BBC interview with her but stills from it (and discussion) can be found here: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061252287 He also rejected the testimony of local builder Laurent Fillion-Robin, (38) http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00334/112825739_witness_334617b.jpg working on a house near Chevaline. He said he saw the maroon BMW drive past between 2.30 pm and 3 pm and that he saw a 4×4 and motor bike go up before hand. http://videos.tf1.fr/jt-20h/tuerie-de-chevaline-la-scene-du-crime-passee-au-crible-7520892.html#sthash.Aj31i3iE.dpuf
6. Forestry Workers (OFN)
Maillaud’s rejection of any involvement by French forestry personnel has only recently, at the hands of the Panorama programme, been proved incorrect. Nor has he ever explained how the French witness “Philip Didierjean” suddenly became “Philip Bossy”, or how another elderly cyclist on scene immediately following has never been officially acknowledged, nor how Laurent Fillion-Robin’s evidence can be reconciled with his claim that the Al Hilli’s arrived only moments before 3.30 pm, when shooting was heard. Similarly he has never explained how “Philippe D’s” testimony that he didn’t meet William Brett Martin until at least 4.10 pm and didn’t phone the emergency services until after visiting the murder scene, can be reconciled with Maillaud’s claim that the first call was made at 3.48 pm by WBM (subsequently denied by him) then by said Philippe Didierjean/Bossy. See http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/an-alpine-murder-mystery–why-were-the-alhillis-shot-dead-8125292.html
7. Misinformation Never Corrected or Clarified.
He has never explained why the wrong publicised details at the beginning were never officially corrected. For example the wrong lay-by was identified (see http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/62750000/jpg/_62750011_is_of_layby.jpg ) The real one can be seen here: http://photo.europe1.fr/infos/07-09-tuerie-chevaline-haute-savoie-930620/22282317-1-fre-FR/07.09-Tuerie-Chevaline-Haute-SAvoie.-930620_scalewidth_630.jpg The location of Mollier’s body and bike wrongly placed on the driver’s side of the vehicle and bullet shells located next to the rear door on the same side. (See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561919/Man-arrested-France-connection-murder-British-family-French-Alps.html ) the multiple variations in bullets fired (10, 25 and now 21), their locations and the wounds they inflicted and why even now it keeps changing. He has never been able to justify his view that the family were at Arnand taking their photograph more than four kilometres away, yet able to get back to the lay-by to all be shot dead by 3.30 pm which is his preferred scenario. His theory as to SAH reversing his car from top to bottom of the car park, can not be supported dynamically or geometrically. His claim that shooting started at the top end of the lay-by is not supported by the photographic evidence. See http://i42.tinypic.com/15tz84.jpg and compare with this one only just published at http://bbb-news.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/f0306_article-2561919-1B9DFB5D00000578-715_634×415.jpg He has never clarified if and when SAH visited the Geneva bank. It appears, contrary to his statement, he never did.
8. DNA Evidence Confusion.
Maillaud’s version was already in tatters by the time of the First Anniversary Conference. His own side’s laboratory results which he was reluctant to accept from blood splatter put Saad, his daughter and Sylvain physically together. His strategy seems to have been to ignore evidence that disagreed with him. Any self-respecting law officer would surely have collated all the evidence dispassionately and made the theory fit the facts or explain to everyone’s satisfaction why it didn’t. He may have been able to convince and reassure. In the event he did neither. His approach has recently been criticised by un-named British sources that “instead of theorising he should have established and followed the facts”. Yet after rejecting a claim of a breakthrough with a DNA result from an unidentified source on the grounds it had been contaminated by one of the team, he has recently used the absence of matching DNA to rule out his first arrested suspect.
9. Further Unexplained Confusions.
For example he has never been able to explain how Philip Didierjean got his name and why it was changed to “Bossy” by a Swiss prosecutor; whether said Didier/Bossy worked for the State in any capacity and how despite all the traffic movements now known, he said he was definite neither pedestrian or vehicle passed him before he met the fleeing Martin; who and what role his two female companions played; why the Sapeurs-pompiers arrived first having “overheard” the message on their radio, rather than being specifically tasked and despite the danger of a violent killer still at large; why it took so long to find Zeena in the back of the car; why the much nearer Lyons specialist forensic squad were not deployed; why such confusion over bullets and injuries that still persists; why he disputed the laboratory results; why it took so long to set up a contact number for the public; why he was so resistant to publishing photographs of the victims that could have assisted in establishing their movements and contacts (no recent photo images of either Suhaila al Allaf or Sylvain Mollier have ever been issued); why it proved impossible to identify a very distinctive RHD BMW X5 seen approaching the area at the critical time, and despite knowing about it before it was announced by the British side, denying it even existed or was involved, this after stating WBM had seen it at the very beginning! Why the descriptions of a sought vehicle kept changing? And why, literally within days of the event, was he expressing the opinion that the crime would probably never be solved? Such a catalogue of indecision and concealment surely demands explanation?
10 Anniversary Revelations.
Yet the first anniversary brought many more significant revelations, it should be noted, all from sources other than the French Prosecutor or Police. These have been augmented by those of the past few weeks, including the farcical local arrests of forty eight year old Eric Devouassoux and his friend Jean-Luc Falcy, then clearing them from any connection with the murders. Ziad al Hilli, Saad’s brother, (http://www.lepaysroannais.fr/photoSRC/UVNTJzYABBNIEAICBAAsAxYzHDEBVEpDQEo-/zaid-al-hilli-le-frere-de-saad-al-hilli-tue-avec-sa-famille-_1478061.jpeg ) Maillaud’s principal suspect, arrested and bailed by the British at his request in the summer, has now been told he has no case to answer, whilst Maillaud still hints at his guilt. I will discuss the context of his futile French arrests a little later.
In the Daily Mail on 10th October 2013, David Allen suggested that Sylvain Mollier, the French cyclist, had confided to a close Annecy friend that “he feared he would be shot”. Allen puts this down to reprisal for a crime of passion. He says: “A close friend of the late Mr Mollier has now told the local Essor newspaper in Annecy: ‘One day he told me that he had to be careful when he walked down the street, that he feared he would be shot. This was because he was a ‘seducer’ with a number of lovers beyond the one he was living with, sources told l’Essor.” This is clearly relevant and may suggest motive for his death, yet Maillaud could claim he was “99.9% certain” Mollier was not a target.
A second revelation was that only moments before the shooting Mollier was called by his ex-wife, hairdresser Lydie Ringot, who was complaining about custody of their two sons, Leo and Mathis, who had gone to live with Mr Mollier and his new girlfriend, Claire Schutz. Apart from contradicting earlier reports that he didn’t answer a call as he rode up the Combe, this report claims not only that he had a conversation with her but also that it was “only moments before the shooting”. It begs the question whether the shooting actually interrupted the conversation. If not it certainly suggests a time delay when he was at the lay-by itself. It also raises the question of mobile reception in the light of WBM’s “inability to get a signal” when he tried to contact emergency services. His new partner said she tried to ring him without success. Did she really not know where he was? Finally what happened to his phone? Was it retrieved? What information did it supply? How could he possibly have been “lost” as the police claimed?
11. Panorama Programme “Murder in the Alps”.
On the 21.10.13 BBC broadcast an hour long Panorama programme on the Chevaline killings by Jane Corbin entitled “Murder in the Alps”. It can be viewed here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03fgstr/Panorama_Murder_in_the_Alps/ . For the first time an interview with one of the French Foresters had been obtained, and the information he provided would be significant for the official story line. The ONF employee, who remained anonymous, stated he drove down at the critical time, yet refers not at all to either the Al Hillis or the two cyclists coming up. He said that as he passed the lay-by he noticed a motor cyclist on his machine parked up on his left hand side. It was suggested this was the lone killer waiting for the victims to arrive. We have calculated the time at about 3.15 pm, i.e. only fifteen minutes before shooting was heard, timed by three witnesses.
He adds that on the way down a grey British RHD BMW X5 passed him going up, driven by a dark skinned man. He also reports that two of his colleagues had met the motor cyclist further up the dog leg. This location coincidentally correlates with the one early newspaper reports had inaccurately identified as the murder site as referred to above! He said they stopped him and interviewed him briefly before making him return down the way he came, presumably following him in their truck. He says they saw his face and that he had a small beard. Presumably, and implausibly, they didn’t record the registration number or take the man’s details. Given the fact that this was now past the time of the shooting, if they escorted him back down, incredibly they must have passed the murder scene in all its gory detail! So why no mention of this central fact by Maillaud or why the motor cyclist was not immediately apprehended?
As we noted above, the first ONF guy did not claim to pass either SM, WBM or SAH on his continued journey down the valley (nor indeed that his colleagues did either who came down after him) so this must push the time of their sightings back even further. Yet the British police gave the time the BMW X5 was spotted one kilometre up the Combe as 3.20 pm so on this basis none of the victims were approaching Martinet until after he departed the Combe about 3.30 pm. This is a clear conflict of evidence. Either the first forestry guy passed both the motor cyclist and the Al Hillis, or he passed them coming up the Combe or they didn’t enter the Combe until after the shooting was said to take place, which is clearly ludicrous. Why we may ask, is Maillaud so adamant that the Al Hillis arrived as late as 3.30 pm and were shot immediately upon arrival, when all the evidence points otherwise?
The programme claims that SAH arrives at Martinet at about 3.40 pm and WBM arrives about 3.45pm despite the shots being heard at 3.30 pm! Apart from allowing no more than five minutes for SM to arrive and the Al Hillis to park and get out of their car, all be shot dead and the assailant(s) to escape without trace before Martin arrives, it clearly conflicts with the shots heard at 3.30. Arriving after the shots that killed them is plainly impossible.
Then there is the matter of the first call. The programme confirms WBM couldn’t make the first call, yet it is still claimed it was made at 3.48 pm. In other words on the programme’s timings of him arriving at 3.45 pm, the first call would have to be made only THREE minutes after. In this three minutes WBM had to complete a range of actions and cycle down the hill to meet PD/B. This also is clearly impossible. Either WBM had to arrive early enough for the 3.48 pm call to be made or the call was not made at that time by either Martin or Didierjean/Bossy. Why does Panorama suggest impossible scenario?
The ONF informer states that the same motor cyclist was intercepted further up the track, the rider interviewed with helmet off presumably as he gives a brief description. As quasi law enforcers it is quite unbelievable that they would not have obtained personal and bike details which have never been released. Even in a brief conversation from accent and other factors a general description can be obtained. So what possible justification could there have been for with-holding that information for over a year and for more than a month after the programme went out? Maillaud’s explanation it was because he didn’t want the individual to hide appears naïve in the extreme. The artist’s impression can be seen here: http://www.ilmondo.it/images/459-0-20131104_203009_9EB82EDD.jpg
Now they apparently escorted him down from the mountain track. So they too would have had to pass Martinet, but still no sign of the victims it appears either there or further down, nor a second sighting of the BMW X5! So where has everyone gone? If the Forestry worker’s testimony is reliable, and at no stage have the French sought to counter it, the implications are dramatic, because it places two ONF vehicles either side of the murders time wise, and in direct physical contact with Maillaud’s chief suspect, yet never revealed or referred to in over a year! If the second vehicle came upon the murder scene, as it must, what did its two occupants do? Or is the whole story just another fabrication to confuse? If the Panorama forestry worker is telling the truth it raises very serious questions about the sequence of events and what was witnessed by whom, not to mention who did what. The prosecutor has admitted he withheld vital information. Why?
12. Motor Cyclist Photo Fit.
The Panorama story forced Maillaud’s hand to very belatedly reveal an “identi-kit” likeness of the motorcyclist that he had kept secret for over a year. It was nevertheless more than a month before he eventually released it when it and the story, gained widespread publicity. The artist’s impression can be seen here: http://www.ilmondo.it/images/459-0-20131104_203009_9EB82EDD.jpg However the image does not appear to be the standard French approach. Rather an amateurish pencil drawing of a bearded man with a helmet, with “see-through” characteristics. Rather too conveniently you might think, the image of the man happens to match with almost spooky similarity, the face of Eric Devouassoux, almost as if taken from his identity card! He is the decorated ex-gendarme, recently sacked from his local “Community Policeman” role in a township at the other end of lake Annecy, which just happens to be the place where Brett Martin had his holiday home, and another murder had recently taken place! Given all the problems with the story in general, the credibility of the identi-kit image is also questionable. The arrest and subsequent release of the look-a-like Eric Devouassoux amidst first incriminating then exhonerating him, adds to the confusion.
In summary, if there was a motor cyclist in the two locations and times calculated, and if as is claimed the first ONF guy passed the BMW X5 on its way up at 3.20 pm but not the Al Hilli’s, then the latter must have already been at the lay-by, and seen by the first ONF guy. More significantly, if the second ONF team subsequently escorted the motorbike man down off the mountain, they must have passed the lay by and the scene of carnage. The timing demands it. This has never been suggested or admitted but it is inescapable logic of the forester’s testimony. Someone must be telling lies or hiding the truth.
13. Camp Site Argument.
Before we move on from the Panorama programme, we should also highlight the fact that it also alleged for the first time in the public arena the the night prior to the murders, Saad was witnessed in an heated argument with another man at the camp site. Previous to that only vague and disputed claims had been made regarding a foreign-looking man visiting. If reliable, this sighting was also significantly never revealed by Maillaud or a description circulated. Yet another oversight or intentional concealment?
The Telegraph man (By Rory Mulholland, Paris 10:13AM GMT 18 Feb 2014) appears to put a bit more “flesh on the bones”. His remark about the “camp site conversation” is rather curious. He indicates Le Parisien was the source for this story and adds they “gave no indication of the content of their talk.” To me this seems to indicate Parisien KNEW the content but chose not to reveal it. If correct this would mean the authorities were in no doubt what that meeting was about and whom. The fact that this has never been revealed suggests an intention to conceal and therefore a significant fact. He says:
“The Hillis arrived in the area on September 1 and initially stayed in another camp-site. But they were unhappy with the spot they were allocated and moved to a camp-site called Le Solitaire du Lac. It was there that Hilli reportedly received his visitor. Le Parisien gave no indication of the content of their talk.A BBC Panorama programme broadcast talked to two key witnesses who described seeing a motorbike and a BMW 4×4 close to the murder scene. It said the motorcyclist was the likely killer, and French authorities have since announced they will release a photo-fit image of the man.”
Both male victims away from work/home in strange circumstances, in family disputes, financial difficulties, interpersonal conflict immediately prior, fearful for their lives, meeting at a remote spot, at the same time, killed in the same manner yet not related Mr Maillaud? Who are you trying to kid?
14. Dramatic New Developments 2014.
Now we move on to some rather dramatic developments that have occurred since the beginning of 2014, culminating in the arrest of Messrs Devouassoux (see: http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3164085.ece/ALTERNATES/s298/Eric-Devouassoux-3164085.jpg ) and Falcy, to which might aptly applied the term an “investigative pyrhric victory” perhaps?
On the 5th January, 2014 the British Sunday Times under a Peter Allen by-line, published arguably the first image, after fourteen months, an image of Sylvain Mollier. How it got there is not clear as the family and French authorities had been obdurately opposed to releasing it. As this is contrary to standard police practice for obvious reasons, it is reasonable to ask why? Maillaud’s reason was that “every family deserves its privacy” however when it is considered in relation to his claim that Mollier was not a target and family and financial matters were kept secret in start contrast to his treatment of the Al Hillis, a rather more questionable motive begins to emerge.
Mollier it belatedly was revealed was resented by his new partner’s wealthy Shultz family and there were raw feelings with his ex wife and even other females. The new in-laws had influential connections with politicians that led right up to the government itself. Perhaps this could provide an explanation surrounding the reluctance to reveal personal details or his image? Or were there more sinister reasons for blocking its publication? Allen wrote, “An alleged “vow of silence” by those close to Mollier has fuelled claims that an individual or group known to him wanted him dead.”
The image can be viewed here: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Crime/article1359387.eceThe first thing to notice is that this is an image of a very handsome young man, with the emphasis on young. In other words it was still not a contemporary photograph. Approximating the age of the subject to between twenty and twenty five years, it can be estimated that it was taken at some time between the late 1980’s and early 1990’s. It appears as if maybe he was in a college or works football team or some such. However from our point of view, it is further confirmation that on the part of family and/or authorities there is still a reticence to publish an up to date likeness of him for some reason. How and by what method it came into the possession of the Times Paris correspondent is another intriguing question. I repeat despite many indicators to the contrary, Maillaud has been adament that SM was not an intended target.
15. Zaid al Hilli Released.
On the 15th January 2014 the Daily Mail and other outlets reported British police had released Zaid Al-Hilli - arrested on 24 June 2013 on suspicion of conspiracy to commit murder - from his bail conditions on the grounds there was ‘insufficient evidence’ to charge him with any criminal offence. In contrast it was reported the French were considering applying for an international arrest warrant, Maillaud still regarding him as his prime suspect. See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2539764/Arrested-brother-Alps-massacre-victim-Saad-Al-Hilli-released-police-bail-without-charge-lack-evidence.html Despite assurances at the anniversary press conference that the two countries were co-operating fully with a joint investigation, ZAH’s release illustrated an obvious fault line and difference of opinion.
16. First French Arrests, Lathuile.
On the 18th February, 2014 it was announced that a 48-year-old man, had been arrested as he left his home in the village of Lathuile close to Chevaline. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/french-alps-murder-picture-eric-3160241 He was later identified as an ex decorated gendarme and local municipal policeman Eric Devouassoux, despite specific threats by Maillaud that he would prosecute anyone who leaked personal details. Le Parisien also reported that he was also a reservist in the gendarmerie, a position open to any reasonably fit person over 17 who has completed military service and had provided security at the court in Annecy. Both he and his friend Mr Falcy were from Lathuile. Lathuile you may remember was where WBM had his holiday home and where in early November 2013 a woman, Nicole Tournier , was shot dead in her home by intruders. She and her husband owned and ran a camping site only a couple of miles from where the Al Hillis stayed. http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-savoie/2013/11/11/meurtre-a-lathuile-une-femme-de-54-ans-tuee-d-une-decharge-de-fusil-de-chasse A further co-incidence, in this co-incidence packed story, is that her husband, Mr. Communal-Tournier is the head of the Lathuile/Doussard/Chevaline forestry body and therefore intimately connected to local ONF staff. Given what we have learned about two ONF vehicles at the scene, we have to wonder if the fatal attacks were any way connected, even from a point of view of intimidating or eliminating witnesses? Clearly Mr Maillaud doesn’t think so.
At the time of the arrest rather incriminating background was made available to the press including derogatory character appraisals suggesting he was unpopular and racist, had been sacked from his job in the previous June, that he collected firearms and that his mobile phone placed him near the crime scene on the day in question. “taciturn highlander”; “living on the fringe”.
“a weapons enthusiast”; “48 year old man in Chevaline”; “lives around Chevaline” (so
even smaller community than Annecy) “no known employment”; Mr Maillaud was quoted as saying: “This man bears a strong resemblance to someone we know to have been close to the scene of the crime. His mobile phone activated a relay antenna near the crime scene, but we cannot say if it was a few hundred metres or a few kilometres.” See:Within three days most of these claims had been challenged or modified or evaporated and a link to the murders withdrawn. The remarkable likeness to the image of the alleged motor cyclist, Maillaud’s top suspect for killer, has never been explained. Some may think the arrest had all the makings of a set-up or distraction – yet another line of enquiry that had drawn a blank.
In the following video discussing established modus operandi for state assassination, this caution rings out: “Whenever a lone crazed killer – there is always a lone crazy guy – it’s always the same reason, ‘alone’ so there is no conspiracy, and ‘crazy’ so there is no motivation. ‘Case closed; bury the guy; throw away the key and nobody needs to look into it’. Every time there’s a lone crazy guy, watch out. Don’t buy into it. Smelly, smelly, SMELLY.”
(Ole Dammegard on assassinations @ 0.55.00: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o9M2dodkio)On 17 Nov 2012 Patrick Sawer of the Telegraph reported as follows: “French investigators have said as they focused on theories that the shootings were a random act by a deranged killer. Renewed attention is being focused on the possibility the gunman was a lone psychopath, rather than a professional hit-man hired as a result of a financial dispute or international espionage. ”
17. The Strange Cases of Fred Brun and Stan Maillaud
Whilst on the subject of co-incidences perhaps we should mention the case of Frederick Brun who died on Sept. 29, 2012 i.e. a little over three weeks after the massacre, on a mountain road, Col de l’Arpettaz (Ugine) in a 4WD Pajero. You will remember the initial police appeal was for a dark Pajero. As far as I am aware the two front seat drivers have never been revealed. Mr Brun sat in the back and was still there when his vehicle was found against a tree.
It is claimed Mr Brun was something of a private detective who was in close contact with Sylvain Mollier’s ex hairdresser wife. No suspicious circumstances surrounded his death it was decided and no one was charged with any road traffic offence as far as I am aware. Nevertheless the location, time (8 pm Saturday) and the fact that neither driver or front passenger were injured whilst Brun in the back was killed may be considered somewhat unusual. An obituary annoucement appeared on the same day, on the same page as that of Sylvain Mollier.
There has been some discussion as to whether he was in one of the ONF vehicles. This is one of the accident reports google translated at
”http://firerescuefrance.blogspot.co.uk/2012_09_01_archive.html :
“Ugine: 4X4 tumbles forest thirty meters: To 20 hours, a driver lost control of his vehicle, a 4×4 Mitsubishi Pajero, one kilometer before the plateau of Meru. The vehicle left the road and rolled down the forest about thirty meters before stopping. We deplore the dead.”
Then there is this cv of a Fred Brun but it is not clear whether this is the same person who had the accident or whether common employment factors put them together on the same projects.
http://reseau.journaldunet.com/membre/411689/6492120624/frederic_brun/
“‘Depuis 2008 AREVA NC
Ingénieur Santé / Environnement (Direction générale)
Chargé de l’évaluation des impacts santé et environnement
Chargé de la mise en place de REACH
2001 Ã 2008 AREVA – COMURHEX
Cadre (Autre)
Ingenieur Environnement’
Areva NC of course is in Ugine and Areva РComurhex is of course COMURHEX Malv̩si.
Now what do we know about COMURHEX Malvési?”“Incidentally, the operations at COMURHEX Malvési include the first steps in the production of uranium concentrate taken from mining sites into uranium tetrafluoride (UF4) for electricity companies across the globe. This transformation is carried out at the COMURHEX Pierrelatte industrial site (in France’s Drôme region), which converts the uranium tetrafluoride into uranium hexafluoride (UF6), the final step before enrichment.” (Credit “Felix”)
So this blogger suggested in 2006 Sylvain MOLLIER might have been connected to Frédérique BRUN via his employment and in 2008 through Solidarité & Progrès Ugine. I am not in a position to say whether this is correct or not. There are many Bruns (Browns) in France as there are in Britain, so the case and any connection remains unresolved. Only locals would know and they’re not speaking.
The second co-incidence relates to the disappearance of one Stan Maillaud on the 22nd September, 2012 (note date) He was an ex gendarme engaged in chasing cases of child sexual cruelty, an issue in France as much as in Britain. He was thought to be in police custody but although not charged with any crime, has not reappeared.
http://www.lesamisdestanmaillaud.org/en/pages/summary-of-the-stan-maillaud-s-affair /
You may think he bears a striking resemblance to his namesake EM, you may not. Whether they are related is an interesting question in the light of his disappearance only a couple of weeks after Chevaline.
There is a fairly recent update at http://smrrr.wordpress.com/ from which this translation is taken: “But we must remain strong, however, is the truth: If Stan Maillaud - believed to be at least taken and irons-holed as a coward is the bottom of a hole, or runs a peaceful retreat on an island peaceful and surrounded by exotic beauties, nor that interested in the fate of his wife and the cause he claimed to defend, we do have the right to know!”
18. Dramatic Photographs Leaked
On the very same day of the arrests (18th February 2014) something in a quiet way far more seismic occurred. Three photographs were published in a French source,
(http://actudirect.com/news/exclusivite-bfmtv-les-photos-de-la-scene-du-crime-de-la-tuerie-de-chevaline/ ) very soon after withdrawn. Fortunately they were also carried in the British press where they may still be seen at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561919/Man-arrested-France-connection-murder-British-family-French-Alps.html For the very first time they included two shots of the crime scene showing what we assume is the body of Sylvain Mollier lying next to the Al Hilli’s car and an image of the family that the police refused to issue on the grounds it was “too gory”. Again, how these images got into the papers is an interesting question. An examination of the photographs can be revealing.
“Meanwhile it seems le procureur de la République was very angry with BFMTV and launched a criminal investigation after they published the photos, Dominique Rizet’s response is here:
http://www.programme-tv.net/videos/zapping/26206-chevaline-bfm-tv-repond-au-procureur-d-annecy/
The journalists replied they were just doing their job are working on the story and trying to understand the scene of the crime.”19. Photo 1 – The Arnand Family Group
See:http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02827/hillisUSE_2827089b.jpg and/or
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561919/Man-arrested-France-connection-murder-British-family-French-Alps.htmlThis photograph is crucial to the case. First because Maillaud refused to make it public on the grounds that it would be “morbid” to do so. Second he stated emphatically that it had been taken at 3.15 pm and established the fact they must have driven direct to Martinet arriving at 3.30 pm. Third he used the fact that they appeared relaxed and unconcerned to support his theory that the trip to Martinet was purely social with no stressful overtones.
Maillaud was quoted as saying, “Photos recovered from a digital camera found at the scene show the family smiling in front of a pretty flower-covered stone farmhouse, suggesting they had not been lured to the remote forest site but had spent the day happily sightseeing.”
So the first thing we notice this photo is not that photo. If this was taken before the trip to Martinet they must have taken two photos making a detour after the builders seeing them just before 3:00 pm even less likely. If Maillaud is right, and this photo was taken immediately before the trip to Martinet as he claimed, and if Fillion is right that he went past them just before three, doubling back to Arnand is the only unlikely explanation. The trouble is if they took two photographs before returning and if at least one of them was taken at 3.15 pm as he claimed, there is simply not time to get back to Martinet four Kilometres away and park up and be killed by 3.30 pm. The story does not work.
Now take another look at the photograph. It shows four people in summer clothes. The day is obviously sunny and warm. This does not accord with either the weather on the fifth of September (overcast and showery) or what we were told about their clothing – that they were smartly dressed and that Zeena was able to hide under the skirts of the women (Iqbal and Suhaila) sitting in the back. Is this claim borne out by the image?
Then take a look at Zeena in the arms of her mother. Is it conceivable that a child of that size could hide herself in the space between front and rear seats, be there silent and un-moving for no less than eight hours, and not be spotted by one of the many professionals who swarmed around for all that time? I would say it is literally incredible. If incredible we are faced by the inevitable conclusion the story is a fabrication and that some other explanation is required - that she was abducted either by killers or rescuers and later produced with a cover story to explain her reappearance. Strangely early on, Maillaud is on record as saying one of the girls had died despite knowing Zainab had survived, so to whom was he referring?
20. Photo 2 – Aerial Shot of Martinet
See: http://bbb-news.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/f0306_article-2561919-1B9DFB5D00000578-715_634×415.jpg
The first thing to notice is its an aerial photo. It has subsequently been confirmed to have been taken by a drone (!) soon after the police arrived. Apart from raising the interesting question how they got a drone there so quickly in contradistinction to the lack lustre investigation, it provides a previously unrevealed insight. The position of the moribund Mollier and the location of bullets is revealed for the first time, beside the position of the car and tyre tracks left in the gravel surface of the lay-by.
A little more than two months after the event, in other words long enough to get a clear idea about what happened, the Telegraph reported as follows:
“Forensic tests of bullet trajectories, position of the bodies and tyre tracks from the al-Hilli’s vehicle have revealed that Zainab and her father were outside the car when the gunman approached, firing from the forest trail above them. Mr al-Hilli appears to have bolted for the car before reversing in a u-turn and possibly running over Mr Mollier.
The car slammed into the bank at the rear of the forest lay-by, where its rear axle became stuck – allowing the gunman to shoot Mr al-Hilli, Iqbal and Mrs al-Allaf at close range.
Zainab has told British police that she was outside the car with her father when the shooting began, and that she was pistol-whipped and shot in the shoulder.Some have suggested that the attackers might have been torturing her to pressure her father, and that the situation then spiralled out of control, possibly when Mr Mollier stumbled on the scene. Although the Frenchman bore the brunt of the gunfire police have ruled him out as the target. Mr Maillaud: “We are 99 per cent sure he was nothing to do with it.”
Unfortunately this photo, which Maillaud and his team must have seen and studied by then, does not support his interpretation of events in any way. The ten to fourteen (10-14) yellow markers which presumably indicate the location of used cartridges, are all at the lower end of the lay-by. Semi-automatic pistols usually eject up and to the shooter’s right. These “shells” therefore perfectly match firing positions either side of the car in its final position NOT the interpretation that the shooter “ approached, firing from the forest trail above them” or that the shooting started when the car faced in at the top, which has always been Maillaud’s version.
Nor can the clear image of the tyre marks be made to fit Maillaud’s theory that they were made by Saad’s car reversing. To start with the width is clearly different, the one on the right that sweeps around, is thicker and much darker from torque and acceleration forces. Nor by any stretch of the imagination could the prostrate body of Mollier have been struck, run over or dragged by Saad’s car. This is supported by the absence of grazes or imprinted marks on the body. So the official interpretation must be a fabrication to explain away the second set of tyre marks and/or more than one killer and an inevitable conspiracy.
The ones in the front/left foreground would approximate to someone firing into the car on the drivers side as most semi automatics eject up and to the RIGHT. Then I believe I can see four markers on the nearside of the car in the vegetation partly obscured, which on the same basis would fit the shots being fired right to left on the photo. It is also reasonable to assume spent cartridges ended up in the undergrowth from this one. The problem with the two directions is that you have to factor in a time lapse as ONE shooter moves from the right hand side to the drivers door which would have involved the risk of SAH running over him. Two shooters fit much better but again the police have ruled this out. Given the above we cannot rely on their stated opinions.
I have made this case from the beginning. Maillaud has obdurately stuck to the theory that it was SAH’s car that made the semi-circular tracks and that the attack started at the top end of the lay-by, presumably in an attempt to rule out another vehicle. Not only are there no shell casings at the top end, they are all at the bottom, proving the attack happened there where the car was always stationed and the semi circular tracks must have been made by another vehicle.
This photograph has only just been made available to us the public. The police had the information from the beginning. Their false interpretation must therefore have been quite intentional for which there must have been a pressing need. The photo proves conclusively that they lied.
21. Photo 3 – Ground Shot of Martinet
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/19/article-2561919-1B9DFC8300000578-958_634×372.jpg
Both this and the previous one show Mollier’s location and posture. He lies neatly on his back, legs and arms quite straight. This is not typical of a person shot in a hail of bullets particularly if he was running away. Such a person would tend to fall frontwards and appear crumpled and bent, often in what is termed “the recovery position”. Further a person shot but not killed in the first instance, as suggested of poor Mollier, is more likely to be in a frontal crawling position. His indicated position is therefore far too neat and tidy to reflect how he fell. It does however fit somewhat, being turned over, dragged or arranged on his back.
This to some extent fits WBM’s account of what he did. If as he says he moved him, did he drag him by arms or legs? In other words from the front or back of the lay-by? If as WBM said it was to move him from the front it tends to be answered. However as previously discussed, this could not have been from the location that the police put out, on the off-side of the car, as the evidence nor logic support it: there is no blood trail from that side and it would not make sense for WBM to drag a body in front of the car if his intention was to remove it from danger should the car come forward as he said. Further in his testimony he stated that he went around the other side of the car after attending to Mollier to turn off the engine.
So we have to conclude yet again the French interpretation of events is a falsehood. Cyclists usually carry a back pack but there is none to be seen and its not detailed enough to tell whether he still has his helmet on or not. This is definitely where he laid and bled as it matches up with the early noted blood stain. In no way could this have involved the risk of SAH running over him. Two shooters fit much better but again the police have ruled this out. Given the above we cannot rely on their stated opinions. If SAH reverse manoeuvre is ruled out he COULD NOT have struck SM as the police also claimed. So we are faced with only two alternatives: either that he was struck and dragged is a lie; or he was struck by the attackers vehicle.
There follows a Google translation of the BFMTV article at
http://www.bfmtv.com/societe/exclusivite-bfmtv-scene-crime-chevaline-photo-714342.html
Note it sticks almost exactly to the flawed French Prosecutor’s “authorised version” although there’s a suggestion of challenge in relation to the position of the gunman.Had he stood in the middle shooting at a reversing Saad Hilli, it is unlikely he could have completed the manoeuvre.
“BFMTV could obtain documents that throw a little light on the killing of Chevaline : a photo of the al-Hilli family before the tragedy and images taken at the scene of crime. A man was placed in custody Tuesday thanks to sketch released last fall. A year and a half after the quadruple murder, what are the tracks on which investigators work?
“Investigators have done a tremendous job of viewing CCTV images captured and video toll highways. They all inspected, to cameras and mobile family. So that’s the first document: the latest picture of the al-Hilli family. We see the father, mother and two girls. It was most likely taken by the grandmother from 3:17 p.m. to 3:12 p.m. ET Arnand, route du Moulin. At 3:30 p.m. to 3:45 p.m., several people heard gunshots. This is a shot taken just 13 minutes before the murder of adults in the family.
“Second document: the crime scene on the parking Martinet, aerial view taken from a helicopter. In this photo, there are new elements to the soil, which had not been identified previously. Tire tracks indicate that the victims’ car was originally parked facing slope. BMW immobilized in reverse, has declined in a desperate attempt to escape the killer. We see the tire tracks in the ground. “The killer had to be in the middle, and he sprayed the car while she made a U-turn,” Dominique Rizet specialist police and the justice on BFMTV analysis.
“When the scene was discovered by William Brett Martin, a former member of the Royal Air Force, the engine was still running. The driver still had his foot down on the accelerator, so much so that the left rear tire was completely worn out. William Brett Martin was unable to open the doors of the vehicle were locked with a security system. He broke the driver’s window on the right side and cut the engine. All bodies at this time, even inside the car.
“Third document: the crime scene taken from the parking lot. The cyclist Sylvain Mollier therein elongated. It has four bullets in his body, two in back, one in heart and one on his left cheek. It inside the right elbow abraded, fractured ribs and collarbone right affected. We think the car ran over him and he could be the first victim. BMW remained eight hours and, pending the arrival of investigators.
“The 7 year old girl, Zainab, was at the front of the BMW on a raised seat on the side of the cyclist. She opened the door and fled. She was shot in the back left shoulder and butts on the skull so strong that wood chips will leave splinters. She also received kicks that were given with the intent to kill, said one of the doctors who examined her.
The only thing to remember the youngest of the family, Zeena, 4 years old, who had found refuge in the rear floor of the car, is that his mother shouted to his sister: “Run, run!”“The police now want to reconstruct the scene in 3D to try to reconstruct the chronology of fire. In all, 25 shots were fired.”
Note even at this late stage they cannot make up their minds whether it was 21 or 15 bullets fired! Further, despite it being claimed that SM was shot either five or seven times, itself a puzzle, this article states he sustained only FOUR bullet wounds including only one “in the cheek” (rather strange) whereas previously there had been two bullets in the head. This confusion over bullets and wounds must be intentional on the part of the French authorities.
22. Discussion on the Implications of the Panorama and Photograph Revelations.
Our difficulty as outsiders in such a hall of mirrors not knowing what is substance, what is image, or indeed the reflection bears the hall marks of the true but subtly altered here and there, at on time becoming long and thin, at the next short and fat, close or distant? The French and British are on separate tracks, although neither is virgin white.
Then we have a layer cake of function and object vying for supremacy. Does justice top national security? Does truth top the greater good? Does bi-lateral and multi lateral relations top betrayal? Does honest science and policing top the need for subterfuge? To what extent does demanding justice in the particular case, render it likely injustice in a wider one?Immediately after the Panorama programme was put out I flagged up the subtle (?) changes to the story line in addition to the dramatic ones introduced by that silhouetted ONF1. It’s curious how the French took it on the chin. No condemnation of their “snitch”. No attempt to dispute his evidence despite the inevitable problems it caused? Instead the basically agree and announce they have had a photo-fit of the biker from the beginning! This is all very peculiar and I have no simple explanation for it.
Are the French really that stupid not to see the IMPLICATIONS of tying two ONF vehicles and at least three ONF personnel to their chief suspect on the bike, and either side of the murder scene both physically and time wise? None of this can be explained rationally and EM is unlikely to help given previous performance.
Pushing the killing 10 minutes later to 3.40 pm and WBM’s arrival to 3.45 pm only helps “the last photo @ 3.15″ scenario whilst causing greater problems else where in the time line. (We will leave aside the three witnesses who all put the shots at 3.30 for a moment)
First it would make his Chevaline/Martinet trip 3.15 pm to 3.45 pm. This could put the X5 one K up the Combe ahead of him. If they had used different access routes (Moulin v. Chevaline) it could have been there without passing him. However within the time frame if it reached Martinet by say 3.25 pm (whether it was the killer or not) it could not have got back out of the Combe without passing him in the opposite direction at say 3.35 pm when WBM had to be well up the track.
Problem is this now clashes with the new shooting time of 3.40 pm which means that if the X5 is the killer he can’t start back until after that time. This has two implications: he would have had to waited at the layby for about ten minutes before shooting and he would have passed WBM virtually the same time as he was arriving.
In any event if shooting takes place at 3.40 pm and WBM arrives at 3.45 pm, that’s virtually on top of the event. There’s the problem he said he didn’t hear the shots nor does he identify the X5, a very distinctive RHD X5 going past him.
Remember also that SM has to arrive before him before the shooting can start.
If WBM is 3.15 pm – 3.45 pm, how does that effect SAH’s car. Is it possible SAH could have been just ahead of him? If they left Arnand and the TWO photos some time around 3.15 pm and used the Moulin route I suppose at a push its just possible. It would put them entering the combe at about the same time as WBM ie 3.30 pm. It would also have to be after ONF1 has left because he doesn’t claim to pass him. Then the next problem is the WBM changes his story and says the vehicle that passed him was not the X5 but “probably” the Al Hillis. I don’t buy this at all.In addition what vehicle (4×4) and bike passed him on the way down and precisely where? Does this pass him before the new killing time of 3.40 pm or after. If before neither ONF2 OR the MC are the killers. If after they MUST be implicated in some way. If the X5 arrived no later than 3.30 and left no earlier than 3.40 (killing time) and ONF2 and motorbike passed WBM before he arrived, both X5 and ONF2/MB must have been at the lay-by at the same time or passed one another en route.
These are all problems of course for the theory of the “lone MC killer”.
Now let’s look at WBM’s arrival time for other implications, If it was 3.45 pm it gives only THREE MINUTES to the initial 3.48 pm call doesn’t it? This is even not enough time to allow him his described actions before he ATTEMPTS a call let alone if he has to go through all that stuff and cycle down the hill to meet PD/B. So if WBM did arrive at 3.45 pm it blows apart the rest of the police and his story.So where does that leave us? “You pays your money and takes your choice”. I still believe for the reasons listed, supported by the recent photographs, that that Arnand photo is not immediately prior to the killings. The timings are just all too tight and unsupported by witness statements. (I don’t believe for one moment the car would not have been seared into WBM’s memory had it passed him up the Combe given what followed) I prefer to accept as reliable the Fillion-Robin builders evidence and the much more likely scenario that they continued to Martinet about 3 pm. And that the three witnesses to the gun shots put them at (within a couple of minutes either way) 3.30 pm.
Now we have a choice: “either – or, or not at all”. The X5 going up at 3.20 pm would be able to get there to shoot at 3.30 pm. If there was a X5, and it was the killer car, it puts the ONF2 in the clear (virtually) unless they were implicated or in supporting role. If the MC was the killer that EM has fastened his reputation to, how come ONF2 didn’t arrest him of provide sufficient information for him to be apprehended? How could ONF2 escort him off the mountain post killing without witnessing and getting involved in the massacre scene? Why after such an important role were they written out of the script?
However as I said, we cannot be sure of the existence of any of these vehicles or their occupants. They may all be lies and false trails. And do not forget builder man who’s credibility I rate quite highly, originally said a vehicle and MC went past BEFORE SAH. On this basis we might conclude the killers were parked up before SAH arrived and that they had to await SM’s arrival (yes at 3.30 pm) before the killing could begin because he was part of the target, before they steamed off back down the Combe at about 3.35 pm – 3.40 pm just as WBM is arriving. Everything else there just to confuse.
23. Conclusion.
Perhaps the only sure conclusion we can come to is that the French authorities have been engaged in a protracted, intentional and deeply malign deception. I am indebted to my internet friend “Marlin” from the Craig Murray site - that incredibly has had over thirty thousand posts on this subject - for neatly summing up what we consider have been the conclusions the French authorities have been anxious NOT to allow. They are as follows:
There must not be another vehicle in the lay-by
* There must not be any hint of pre-arranged meeting – either with SM or a third party.
* Consistent with the above, it is essential that SAH not be seen as arriving early at the car park and waiting around.
* There can be no allusion to SM being the target. No way, no how.
* There cannot be another party involved in the shooting, whether active or passive.
* There cannot be a definitive answer to the number of bullets, their locations (double tap etc.) or for that matter, the nature of Zainab’s injuries.
* There can be no definitive setting of the shooting time to just around 3:30 pm as heard by two witnesses.
* There can be no DNA evidence to support anything, but the non-existent DNA can be used to exclude something (or someone).
* WBM cannot be considered a suspect in any way connected with the killings. He is a “man above suspicion”, no questioning that is allowed.
* Zeena’s location in the BMW, hidden under her mother’s [not so voluminous skirt) for 8 hours, only to be found at midnight cannot be questioned.
* The timing and instigator of the 3:48 pm call better not be mentioned by anyone, ever again.By a process of reversal, also thanks to “Marlin” we get the following:
(a) there WAS another vehicle at the lay-by
(b) There WAS a pre-arranged meeting with either just SM/SAH or either one + third party.
(c) SAH DID arrive early at the car park (just after 3 pm?) for said meeting.
(d) SM was likely a target, though probably not the only one (see next post for why I believe this to be the case)
(e) There was MORE than one party involved in the shooting, either actively or passively, as in providing reconnaissance, blocking action or get-away.
(f) The police know but won’t admit to the number of bullets or the true extent of Zainab’s injuries. Nor would they disclose the exact nature and location of bullet wounds in the victims.
(g) The shooting time was likely at around 3:30 pm just as the witnesses said. Everything else are just speculations and fogging up. There appears to be a desire to move the shooting to a bit later – may be as late as 3;40Pm to allow time for the story of 3:15-3;17PM photos. I think that’s because they have been convinced by Tim V’s recreation of the impossibility of getting there, ready to be shot, in all of 15 minutes (or less, if 3.17PM is right).
(h) any information about usable DNA at the scene needs to be “fogged up”. Enough to exclude perhaps, not enough to include, and never to pin-point.
(i) WBM is likely involved in whatever went down, not necessarily as a shooter, but as a party that had a specific mission. He IS a British agent, in whatever capacity, and that is why he was let go so very very easily. The man is above suspicion because SAS says he is and that’s that.
(j) Zeena was NOT in the car for 8 hours. Where was she, we cannot know. As Tim V suggested, the story was simply invented at a later stage to keep the involvement of additional people and vehicles out of the story, essential if the “lone nut” was to stick.
(k) There was a 3:48PM call which was made by another party, not WBM. How about the ONF that just happened to be cruising down at the right time?Whether you agree with these conclusions or not is of course up to you but it still does not explain what was going on there on the afternoon of September 5th 2012 or who did the killing. However I think we can be certain it was not what the French authorities want us to believe was going on or in the way they have suggested it happened. No way was it a lone crazy killer. Rather as we have always thought, only a State action can adequately explain all the aspects or the way the French State has shown itself to be farcically inadequate in ensuring the crime was properly investigated and perpetrators brought to justice. Only corruption at the highest levels can explain it, maybe in a perverted sense of national duty. The fact that the British have remained silent, yet felt the need for permanent armed protection for the remaining members of the family, speak volumes. As does the fact that this event occurred, almost to the hour, on the fortieth anniversary of the Munich Massacre; an event that initiated an Israeli policy of state assassination that has continued to this day. This massacre happened at a place called Combe d’Ire, Chevaline. The name of the Israeli Government’s policy of retribution? Why, “Operation Wrath of God”! Just another co-incidence I suppose. END.
POSTSCRIPT:
Bang up to date (March 4, 2014) thanks to “Bluebird” via Craig Murray, the following:
Interview with Eric Devousassoux (google translation)
http://m.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/tuerie-de-chevaline-l-ex-suspect-parle-28-02-2014-3630941.php
“His name is Eric, he is 48 years old and last week, the former municipal police officer was arrested by the police in charge of the investigation into the murder of four Chevaline. He was then presented as a possible killer of three members of the Al-Hilli family and French cyclist Sylvain Mollier. For Eric resembled sketch of biker seen by witnesses near the crime scene September 5, 2012. Eric spent ninety-six hours in custody. And it was finally cleared by the courts. But today is a man destroyed by the suspicion that weighed on him. He decided to talk to restore its honneur.
“Comment your arrest took place last week?
“ERIC. This is an earthquake, a nightmare. I was about to go to work, I opened my car, my wife was telling me goodbye and people I have not seen happen extracted me the car, lying me down , searched and then put in a van. At the time, I thought I was the victim of a robbery. It is then that I realized that they were policemen, members of the GIGN dressed in black. And a police officer has served me my custody for the crime of Chevaline.Vous then have been transferred to the police … Yes, we went to Chambery, in the premises of the research section. And I did ninety-six hours in custody. It was very hard. Morally, physically, psychologically. The police did their job. But four days like this, it’s huge. We can not dormir.
“Comment did you react to accusations that police suspect you of being involved in the killing of Chevaline?
“I told them that I was in the fourth dimension. That it was not possible, it was not me. I wondered what I was doing there. Why me? This could have happened to anyone, it happened to me. The day of slaughter, I worked. With my craft, I took gasoline Annecy. My phone has triggered relay Annecy. I could not be Chevaline. I’ve never set foot on that day là .Votre resemblance to the sketch of biker sought weighed heavily in your arrest, not Yes, I think it’s 80% of the reasons for my arrest. There are good souls who denounced me by saying that it looked like me. But I explained to the police that if you put a helmet on the former ski champion Luc Alphand, he was also the man of the portrait-robot.A outside for many, you were already a suspect Yes … after my arrest, I was the killer Chevaline. While I was simply in custody for checks against a motorcyclist who was presented only as a witness. Was brisé.
“Comment are you here today?
“My life is completely destroyed, like my family. My wife, my children, my parents, my in-laws have been affected. My 13 year old son does not dare to go to school. It is traumatized. I was dragged through the mud. People who had known me as a municipal police have struggled. I also lost my job. I was security officer in Switzerland. The day after my release from custody, I was fired, the Swiss cantonal police took my card professionnelle.
“Qu ‘are you going to do?
“I’m on the verge of the road. I have nothing. I’ll look for work, to repay the loan from my house. My life is in tatters. I will try to bounce back. Return to a normal life. I have nothing to do in this story. I hope people will have the intelligence to see that this is a big mistake. I will try to move forward. Otherwise, there are just to fuck up.
“Did you think to leave the area
“Yes, but I said I could not give satisfaction to those who have dragged me through the mud . I am innocent. I do not want to fuir.Vous by cops, justice, I do not blame the police, they did their job. The problem is that there were leaks and that the press was quickly aware of my custody. It’s the hype that broke my life that completely destroyed me. In terms of justice, perhaps the Minister of Justice should take steps to ensure that there is no fuites.
“Au term of your custody, you have been indicted for arms trafficking.
“Yes .. but I am just a collector of weapons, the First and Second World War. As there are thousands in France. I am not a dealer. I have no contemporary weapons. The most recent discovery gendarmes What weapon was seventy-five years. I’m just passionate. It was said that I liked the Luger, the weapon used in the killing of Chevaline. But I owned the Luger is German, not Swiss origin as P06 Chevaline.
“Family of SM using the help of an expensive lawyer for keeping secrets secret. (Google translation). Who pays the lawyers’ bills? His sick mother? His ex wife? State departement?
“The family lawyers Sylvain Mollier, cyclist 45 years considered a collateral victim of the massacre Chevaline, denounced Friday the “interference of the media” in the privacy of his family and called the press to respect their ” choice not to speak. ” “For 14 months, without fail, this family has chosen not to speak. Nevertheless, the members of this family had and still have to deal with the interference of media, especially French, British and Swiss in their lives, either directly or indirectly. This choice must be respected “, they lamented in a statement, pointing visits” on where they live or work, “or” with their neighborhood. ” “Recent events, as well as unacceptable disclosure of photographs of the crime scene […] once again led the media to invest their daily lives, thus seriously disrupting the reconstruction period after the mourning that has befallen “they added, citing” incompatible with the respect owed to everyone in a democratic society “behavior. “The family of Mr Mollier means grieve normally, and although it costs, it will not hesitate to stigmatize now to justice all those who, under the pretext of freedom of information, do not hesitate to s ‘overcome common decency, “they concluded.
“Lawyers close to Sylvain Mollier confirmed the intention of the family to complain after the publication (BFMTV, ed) photos showing the body of the cyclist killed during the massacre of Chevaline, Sept. 5, 2012.
“On 5 September 2012, Saad al-Hilli, 50, British engineer of Iraqi origin working in the aerospace industry in the UK, his wife of 47 years, and his stepmother of 74 years, had been executed several bullets into their car on a small forest road near Chevaline. A French cyclist was also killed. A couple of girls al-Hilli was seriously injured while the second, hidden under the skirt of her mother, was miraculously unscathed.”END.
Said by Tim Veater March 4, 2014
Chevaline Massacre: Conspiracy or Coincidence?
An assessment at Eighteen Months – Tim Veater
Very through review, Tim. Sounds like you eat, drink, and sleep this Chevaline story.
Just a note that many of your links are dead — espc. those to the crime scene photos. Somewhere I read the frog-cops are going after BFMTV or Mollier’s lawyers or threatening suit, or something, so that will cause links to go belly-up faster than an incoming coronal mass ejection.
Your point about the smaller girl being too big to hide is interesting. You complain that the mother’s skirt was not large enough to hide her, but the grandmother would likely have had an ankle-length skirt, what being an older Muslim. Besides, the reports were that the women covered the girl with their bodies, so there was more than the skirts hiding her.
But the kid’s size does seem to make the cops’ story highly unlikely. Also, if she had been in the car for 12 hours, surely there would have been urine and feces issues. Most kids that age are long out of diapers. Maybe the cops were wanting to hide the fact that she saw a lot more than they have said.
I get the sense you are backing off of you vast international conspiracy theory. I don’t see it mentioned in your comments.
You also say the weather was drizzle and rain in Chevaline that day. I don’t think so — maybe overcast. Plenty of press photos of the frog cops standing guard on the road, the aerial shots of the scene, etc. and none of them show any rain or drizzle or wet pavement. Many of the cops are shown in short sleeves, and don’t look like they’re cold — and this would have been in the evening. So I don’t know about your conclusions that the al-Hillis were not dressed appropriately in the photos.
But one thing is clear; you and your cyber-mates are making better progress than the cops.
Said by Gutter Grunt March 12, 2014 at about 3:25 pm
Hi Denis, Have just spotted this, so sorry for delay in replying. This was my sort of "swan song" from the issue, as I think without any new info. coming out of France or Britain, I've sort of "hit the buffers". Enough said however to prove beyond doubt a cover-up both side of the channel but of different sorts. Rather than your observation that I have given up on "international conspiracy", quite the opposite. I think it has been proved beyond doubt. Why? Because too many confusions and inconsistencies put out by the French in particular. They must be knowingly lying in part or whole which can only be explained by conspiracy at government level. Who is actually involved or responsible is of course more difficult but the biggest fingers point east and/or west. No doubt France and/or Britain COULD have done the dirty work but I don't think that's the most likely. I would say signs are that France ALLOWED it and undertook to cover tracks. Once done the political establishment had to fall into line. Of course once this happens no one can afford to tell the truth as all are implicated. My guess is that this was a British operation that went badly wrong. That MI6 know they were double-crossed and arn't happy bunnies but unable to spill the beans without revealing a whole load of dirty washing. (Apologies for mixed metaphors!) They have however shown their displeasure by dropping the French in it so to speak. Their seeded information re. Didierjean/Bossy, the approaching 4x4 and most importantly the Forestry guys, means France MUST be implicated. The role of BM is troubling and enigmatic. He was the only "witness" who it was claimed by French source to be blood stained. His action with a dead victim cannot be rationally explained if he was a purely innocent by-stander. It is even not beyond the realms of possibility that the person wheeled out in very contrived TV interview was the same British guy on the scene! (Think about it) There is nothing that has emerged to lessen the initial widespread belief this was either a direct or "arms-length" CIA and/or Mossad operation. I'm sure it didn't escape your notice that that the French President was conveniently out of the country (in Britain as it happens) when the attack took place, nor that on his next visit about a year later, he was entertained in a pub and an air force hanger before flying back the same day. In such subtle ways are national sentiments conveyed! Hope you are keeping well and respect for your Gouta work. You probably noticed the fate of Anthony Lloyd and colleague in Syria - beaten up of course by western so-called allies. Syria as I have attempted to show at "inquiringminds" is part of a much bigger international picture that is lining up Russia/China v. America/West. I'm quite sure that Chevaline was part of that bigger picture to which we must now add MH 370, and note the familiar obfuscation and after-plan, namely silence from America/Israel (I know you do not think that of itself significant but in both demonstrable links or interests at stake), an absence of significant search effort by US, misinformation, etc. etc. in fact all we have seen at 9/11, Boston AND Chevaline. Regards and stay safe, Tim. 23.5.14.
As I predicted ten years ago, no one is much interested in an old murder. Or are they. Rather surprisingly, even a decade ago it was clear America was sizing up for a dangerous fight with Russia over Ukraine, necessary if it was to bomb Iran. China was also in the cross hairs. I argued that the Chevaline murders had to be viewed in that context and the truth about it would never be allowed to get out. The dual police investigations would therefore be charade and distraction, doomed to failure, as in fact it has proved. It occurred only five years following the disappearance of the little Madeleine McCann, and two years prior - to the day! - of the Hampstead Case of child abduction, where similar tactics were applied with similar results. We have witnessed two decades of state intrigue and disinformation, closely tied to military and foreign policy planning, the latest iteration of which we see unfolding in Ukraine. I feel sure that despite Chevaline being outrageous in and of itself, it was part of a much bigger picture and should be viewed in that light.
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