Ancestors!
This apparently is my 9th ggrandfather!
Sir William Strode (1562–1637) of Newnham in the parish of Plympton St Mary, Devon, England, was a member of the Devon landed gentry, a military engineer and seven times a Member of Parliament elected for Devon in 1597 and 1624, for Plympton Erle in 1601, 1604, 1621 and 1625, and for Plymouth in 1614.
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It's very strange what tracing your Family Tree turns up. I spent my childhood with principally two families, the Sherborne's (who lived opposite) and the Flowers who lived down the lane. The former were farmers, the latter butchers. Little did I know I was related to both! In addition strangely my close friend's grandparents were Eyles whilst my great grandmother on my father's side was an Isles, so probably not related but carrying the same name! As regards the Flowers, my gggrandmother on my grandmother's line was Sarah Flower, born in 1817. Not only this but she came from Publow, where, when I grew up another line of Flowers lived that I knew well. Her father, William who married Sarah Ford in 1822 was born in Winford, where my grandmother's family lived, so he must have moved to Publow later, maybe working in the copper works there? More Flowers appear further back as well. As to the Sherborne's, I was surprised to find them popping up as my ancestors. Mind you they appear a long way back! John Sherborne born in Chew Magna in 1605 and dying in Breach Hill in 1663 was my 10x greatgrandfather. Mary Sherborne was his daughter born in Chew in 1649 and dying in Bishop Sutton in 1683. Sorry, I've run out of steam.
12. ROSE (M) AT HEALE (M) HAYNE (F) SHERBORNE (M) SYMMES (F) PHILLIPPES
11. ROSE (M) HEALE (M) SHERBORNE (F) HEDGES (M) COOKE (F) MILLARD (M) MILLARD (F) AMES (F)
10. ROSE (M) ATT HEAL OR ATHEALE HEALEOR HEALL (M) SHERBORNE (F) HEDGES (M) COOKE (F) MILLARD (M) MILLARD (F) AMES (F) CHEPMAN (M) RILBERY (F) CHAPMAN (M) VALENTINE (F) WALLICE (M) WINGATE (F)
9. VATER (M) Elizabeth Vater (F) ROSE (M) JAMES (F) AT HEALE OR ATHEAL (M) HEDGES (F) MILLARD (M) CARPENTER (F) REYNOLDS (M) Mary wife GAULTERI/CHAPMAN/CHEAPMAN (M) HAYNES (F) CHAPMAN (M) WHITE (F) WALLICE (M)
8. VATER (M) PURNELL (F) ROSE (M) HEALE (F) PARFITT (M) NAISH (F) MILLARD (M) REYNOLDS (F) CHEAPMAN (M) PAYMASTER (F) CHAPMAN (M) RIFIELD (F) WALLICE (M) MILLARD (F) PRITCHARD (M) TRULL PRITCHARD (F)
7. VATER (M) ABRAHAM (F) ROSE (M) PARFITT (F) MILLARD (M) MILLARD (F) CHAPMAN (M) CHAPMAN (F) ISLES (M) WALLACE (F) PRITCHARD (M)
6. VATER (M) ROSE (F) MILLARD (M) CHAPMAN (F) ILES (M) PRIDE (F) NIBLETT (M) PRITCHARD (F) GOODRIDGE (M) LANE (F) CREED (M) BISHOP (F) FEAR (M) FOWLER (F) FILER (M) TIPPANY (F)
5. VATER (M) WOOD (F) MILLARD (M) WOMAN ? ISLES (M) NIBLETT (F) GOODRIDGE (M) CREED (F) FEAR (M) FILER (F) MITCHELL (M) FLOWER (F) Husband ? (M) HOPKINS (F)
4. VEATER (M) MILLARD (F) ISLES (M) GOODRIDGE (F) FEAR (M) FLOWER (F) MITCHELL (M) FEAR (F)
3. VEATER (M) ISLES (F) FEAR (M) MITCHELL (F)
2. VEATER (M) FEAR (F) BLACKER (M) SPARKS (F)
1. VEATER (M) BLACKER(F)
A recently discovered image of my grandfather proudly displaying his handiwork. The photo is from Alan Marshall's collection and dates I would guess to the late
20s or early 30s. I have copied it with Alan's kind permission. If he is about 30 in this photo it would date it earlier to pre-First WW or around 1910/11 as per the census below.
I have tried tenaciously to find this image on my computer without success. Then it pops up after four years on my FB feed. Oh the inexplicable wonders of the internet. It is of interest to me as it is the only one I know of that shows my grandfather with an example of his saddlery skill, of which he is obviously proud. All the harness in this picture would have been made by him and may have been for some qualifying exam or competition as a Master Saddler. It is not clear where the photograph was taken but from the brick buildings to the rear I am guessing it was either Bromley or Pensford collieries. The physical labour and skill in making and stitching all those individual items was considerable. His dress is also not without historical interest: Flat cap, starched collar (no tie), jacket, waistcoat, riding breeches, gaiters and leather boots that he probably made himself. It was the dress of a self employed rural tradesman, who lived by his wits and industry, without government support of any kind. It was an age of self sufficiency before the Welfare State had taken hold and before cars and lorries had replaced horses.
Here he is probably ten or fifteen years later in the mid-'39's in the process of making the saddle similar to the one above.
Here he can be seen fishing off the weir at Pensford close by the Mill House where he lived and had his business. The woman to the far right is probably his wife, my grandmother who lived until 1968, some eighteen years after his death.
Here the 1911 Census
This is an image of his father, my great grandfather (born 1852) taken I imagine around 1900 or shortly after.
SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 16TH DECEMBER 1969 12559
A friend posted this writing today and it struck me that someday EVERYONE will go thru this discarding of “things” that are the memories of one’s life. Sometimes it’s our own and more often it’s the life of someone we love…..
When my mom was cleaning out her house over 23 years ago to sell it, I wasn't very sympathetic over her attachments to things. I would go over on weekends to help her and we would go through things, things for a yard sale, things to donate, things to throw away. I would usually get upset over how long it was taking her to decide. For instance, we were going through kitchen cabinets and she spent 20 minutes looking at an iron kettle with a lid. Finally I said,
“Mom, at this rate it is going to take us another 2 years.”
She told me that her mother used to make meals in that kettle and leave them at doorsteps of neighbors during the depression, mom would deliver them, and then they would reappear back to her with an apron, or a wood carving, something in return for the meal. I realized that everything that my mom was going through was really a reliving of her life.
If you are reading this and are under the age of 60, you wont get it. You haven't lived long enough. Most of you have not had to move your parents into a nursing home, or emptied their home. You haven't lived long enough to realize that the hours you spend picking out the right cabinets, or the perfect tile will not be what matters in the later years. It will be the handmade toothbrush holder, or a picture that you got on vacation.
So, if your parents are downsizing, and moving to smaller places, or selling a home, give your mom and even your dad a break. Those things that you don't understand why they can’t just pitch, and why you think you know what needs to be tossed or saved, give them a little time to make their decisions. They are saying goodbye to their past, and realizing that they are getting ready for their end of life, while you are beginning your life.
As I have been going through things, its amazing just how hard it is to get rid of objects. But, life goes on, and you realize they are just things, but sometimes things comfort us. So give your parents or grandmparents a break. Listen to their stories, because in 40 years, when you are going through those boxes and the memories come back, it will be hard to get rid of those plastic champagne flutes that you and your late husband used at a New Years party 40 years ago. You will think nothing of the tile or the light fixtures that were so important then.
As happy as they are for you, and as much as they love you, you just don't have a clue until it happens to you and then you will remember how you rushed them, and it will make you sad, especially if they are already gone and you cant say I’m sorry, I didn’t get it.
~ Original Post Melissa Vaughan
RECENT ADDITIONS
PURNELL COAT OF ARMS
PARRIS COAT OF ARMS
All my morning's work on ancestors wiped by Google! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! What's going on Google? I shall have to do it all again.
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Tim VeaterKay Jo-Lo It saves automatically, otherwise it goes from draft to posting on blog. Fascinating my grandmother's line appears to go back on the female side to the Ferrers and the Ferrers to Elizabeth Woodville even!!! That's quite a find.
Tim VeaterI was only doing it to list all the surnames and places of birth which for generations have been in a relatively small geographical area here in Somerset and Goucestershire.
Tim VeaterKay Jo-Lo I'm just filling time waiting for the coal man to come but it's a couple of hours work just wiped for no apparent reason
Kay Jo-LoSounds like you're enjoying it though, in the main.
Tim VeaterRichard Parris (1557 - 1605) married Isabel Mary Heale (1556 - 1621) from Chew Magna, who was my grandmother's eight times great grand mother! lol Looks as if it's this one! Sir Richard Parris Ferrers (born 1557) How interesting. It links into
this! Richard Grey (Duke of York), 1473 - 1483
Richard Grey (Duke of York) was born on month day 1473, in birth place , to John Grey VII Lord Ferrers and Elizabeth Ferrers (born Woodville) .
John was born in 1432, in Groby, Leicestershire, England.
Elizabeth was born on February 3 1437, in Grafton Regis, Northamptonshire, England.
Richard had 8 siblings: Thomas ***(Sir 1st Marquis of Dorset) De Grey 1st Marquess of Dorset , Elizabeth of York and 6 other siblings .
Richard passed away on month day 1483, at age 9 in death place
Now we seem to be going crazy!
Tim VeaterSamuel Fowler ^^
1680–
BIRTH ABOUT 1680 • Somerset, England
Tim VeaterRichard Parris
1557–1605
BIRTH 7 MAY 1557 • Chardstock, Devon, England
DEATH MAY 1605 • Chardstock, Devon, England
Tim VeaterLady Isabell Mary Heale
1556–1621 Married to the above
BIRTH 1 JUN 1556 • Chew Magna, Somerset, England
DEATH 1 FEB 1621 • Chardstock, Devon, England
Tim VeaterI haven't verified any of this. Just what
Ancestry.com provides. I always fancied a Coat of Arms though! Looks as if incredibly they may be hiding away in my grand mother's family Christmas tree! I should have been on 'Who Do You Think You Are?' Ha Ha.
Tim VeaterRobert Purnell
1623–1675
BIRTH 14 SEPT 1623 • Farrington-Gurney, Somerset
DEATH 1675 • North Wootton, Somerset, England
I've been tracing ancestors. It's a fascinating business. Of course I've only scraped the surface revealing names, dates of births and deaths and their locations. Even so the information is revealing of hidden secrets and explanations of the past. I haven't yet followed all the lines. Some, as we might expect stretch back further than others. With every generation the lines multiply geometrical so that in theory with the twelfth generation we would be looking at no less than 4096 direct genetic forebears! So far I have looked at 78 of them. My father's can be currently traced to nine generations, my mother's to only three. My paternal grandmother's FEAR side, to twelve generations, ending up to the PARRIS/FERRES family, (1515 - 1571) complete with Coat of Arms! This was a complete surprise, and might well lead further. Different lines (the PURNELLS, FOWLERS and FILERS/FYLERS throw up three more. These are obviously exceptions. But information relating to place of birth over the past four centuries is also interesting. They are predominantly in Somerset, in or with in a five mile radius of Chew Magna. Where this does not apply, only the surrounding counties of Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Dorset (now Devon) are involved. This certainly makes me a West Countryman, tooth and nail, although way back there is some evidence of foreign (French and Low Countries) involvement based on the names. No less than twenty-two (22) of my antecedents were born in Chew magna. A further thirty-six (36) from surrounding villages. In other words fifty-eight of seventy-eight, so far identified, come from the Chew Valley or immediate environs. Ten lines can be traced to the 17th Century and five back to the 16th! Oh to have insight into the lives the names represent, but for better or worse they have gone into making ME and thousands of others.
VEATER LINE
Names, dates and place of birth
1. Maurice Bertram (1909 – 1985)
Pensford, Som. GO TO BLACKER LINE
2. Arthur William (1878 -1950) Chew
Magna, Som GO TO FEAR LINE
3. Thomas (1851 – 1929) West
Harptree, Som. GO TO ILES LINE
4. William (1813 – 1891) Chew Magna,
Som. GO TO MILLARD LINE
5. Thomas VATER (1778 – 1857) Chew
Sutton, Som. GO TO WOOD LINE
6. John VATER (1755 – 1793) Chew
(Sutton ?) Som. GO TO ROSE LINE
7. Thomas VATER (1715 – 1786) Chew
Magna, Som. GO TO ABRAHAM LINE
8. Jonathan VATER (1687 – 1721) Chew
Magna. GO TO PURNELL LINE
Jonathan VATER (1660 – 1721)
Chew Magna. Go to Elizabeth Vater.
BLACKER LINE
Bessie May BLACKER (1909 – 2003) Stanton Drew, Som.
Edward (1878 – 1962) Bristol, Glos.
Joseph (c. 1845 - ? ) Bristol.
FEAR LINE
Lydia Annie (1876 – 1968) Dundry, Somerset.
John (1845 – 1920) Stanton Drew, Som. FOLLOW MITCHELL LINE
John (1813 – 1856) Chellwood (sic) Som. FOLLOW THE FLOWER LINE
George (1795 – 1836) Stanton Drew, Som. FOLLOW THE FILER LINE
Richard (1748 – 1814) Chew Magna, Som. FOLLOW THE FOWLER LINE
James (1714 – 1770) Chew Magna. FOLLOW THE FOWLER (2) LINE
Richard FEARE (FENZE) (1671 – 1765) Chew Magna, Som. FOLLOW THE
PARKER LINE
Richard FEAR (1625 – 1701) Chew Magna, Som. FOLLOW THE HUXER LINE
John (1577 – 1630) Chew Magna, Som. FOLLOW THE HEDGES LINE
Richard PARRIS (FERRES) (1557 -
1605) Chardstock, Devon.
FOLLOW THE HEALE LINE
Lady Mary 'unk' (Mother of above)) (1515 - 1571) Devon.
ILES LINE
Mary Jane (c.1853 - ? ) Didmarten, Glos.
William (1831 – 1873) Pinkney, Wiltshire. FOLLOW THE GOODRICH
LINE
Isaac (1792 – 1876) Sherston Magna, Wilts FOLLOW THE NIBLETT LINE
William (1766 – 1854) Sherston Magna, Wilts. FOLLOW PRIDE LINE
William (1726 - ?) Wilts. FOLLOW THE WALLIS LINE
MILLARD LINE
Harriet (1785 – 1882) West Harptree, Som.
George (1784 – 1868) West Harptree, Som.
Joseph (1757 – 1841) West Harptree, Som. FOLLOW CHAPMAN LINE
John (1728 – 1797) West Harptree, Som.
John (1695 – 1757) Weston Super Mare, St John, Som.
Thomas (1662 – 1718) Compton Bishop, Som.
John (1630 - ?) Som.
WOOD LINE
Esther WOOD(1784 – 1814) Cheston, Som.
ROSE LINE
Elizabeth ROSE (1762 - ?) Clutton, Som.
James (1737 – 1775) Clutton, Som.
Joseph (1704 - ?) Clutton, Som.
Joseph (1677 – 1737) Clutton, Som.
Joseph (1650 - ?) Norton, Devon.
George (1625 - ?) Norton, Yorks. (Dubious)
ABRAHAM LINE
Elizabeth 'Betty' ABRAHAM (1721 – 1779) Chew Magna, Som.
PURNELL LINE
Martha PURNELL (1686 – 1720) High Littleton, Som.
ELIZABETH VATER
Elizabeth (1660 – 1718) Chew Magna, Som.
MITCHELL LINE
Eliza MITCHELL (1874 - ?) Dundry, Som.
James Austin MITCHELL /MITCHEL (1819 – 1896) Winford, Som.
James (1796 - ?) Somerset – probably Winford.
FLOWER LINE
Sarah FLOWER (1817 – 1875) Publow, Som.
FILER LINE
Elizabeth 'Betty' FILER (1791 – 1876) Chelwood, Som.
Charles (1774 – 1846) Chew Magna, Som.
Joseph FYLER (1743 – 1810) Blagdon, Som.
Samuel (1710 - ? ) Blagdon, Som.
(Samuel) John Filer (1681 – 1776) Compton Martin (Died Cumberland
County, New Jersey, USA)
Samuel John (Felix) (1654 – 1736) Compton Martin, Som.
Samuel (1632 – 1678) Compton Martin, Som.
Samuel (1610 – 1662) Compton Martin, Som.
George
Thomas Roman (1574 – 1683!?) Dorchester, Dorset. (Died
Dorchester, Suffolk, Massachusetts, American Colonies?)
Thomas Roman (1541 – 1598) Dorset. (Died Salem,Essex,
Massachusetts, American
Colonies.
“Margaret
Towe Thomas Filer Fyler, Filer, Flyer” (1520 – 1577) Dorchester
FOWLER LINE
Mary FOWLER (1752 – 1821) Stanton Drew, Som.
Francis (1715 - 1775) Stanton Drew.
Francis (1685 – 1740) (Stanton Drew ?)
FOWLER (TWO) LINE
Sarah FOWLER (1715 – 1784) Chew Magna, Som.
Samuel
(c.1680 - ?) Somerset.
PARKER LINE
Mary PARKER (1672 – 1720) Chew Magna, Som.
HUXER LINE
Elizabeth HUXER (1605 – 1701) Chew Magna, Som.
HEDGES LINE
Gedion HEDGES (1580 – 1630) Somerset. (? Chew)
HEALE LINE
Lady Isabel Mary HEALE (1556 – 1621) Chew Magna, Som (D
Chardstock Devon, then Dorset)
William (1515 – 1568) Chew Magna, Som.
GOODRICH LINE
Mary GOODRICH (1831 – 1920) Kingscote, Glos.
Daniel (1793 – 1854) Glos. (Tetbury?)
Edmund (1729 - ?) Carlton Kings, Glos.
NIBLETT LINE
Elizabeth NIBLETT (1795 – 1882) Pinkney Sherston, Wilts.
William (1761 – 1848) Shersyon Parva, Wilts.
PRIDE LINE
Mary PRIDE (1768 - ?) Sherston Magna, Wilts.
WALLICE LINE
Ruth WALLICE (1725 - ?) Sherston Magna, Wilts.
Robert (1695 – 1760) Sherston Magna, Wilts. MILLARD (TWO)
Robert (1672 – 1776) Sherston, Wilts. LEWIS
Joseph (1630 – 1677) Sherston Magna, Wilts. WINGATE
Thomas (1595 – 1661) Trowbridge, Wilts. HILMAN
Robert (1571 – 1636) Trowbridge BARTON
John (1543 – 1616) Trowbridge.
CHAPMAN LINE
Mary CHAPMAN (1751 – 1847) Mark, Som.
Philip (1722 – 1792) Wedmore, Som. Anna PAYMASTER (1690 - 1728)
Josephus (1665 – 1758) Wedmore, Som. Sarah CHAPMAN (1730- 1758)
Walter/Gaulteri Chapman/Cheapman (1634 – 91) Wedmore, Som.Susanae
HAYNES (1645 - 1696)
William CHEPMAN (1600 – 1664) Wedmore, Som. Agnes/Agne RILBERY
(1599 – 1668)
ANALYSIS
Birth
Locations Mentions Generations
BRISTOL 2
WEDMORE, SOM. 4
MARK, SOM. 1
CHEW MAGNA 22
STANTON DREW 6
DORCHESTER 3
COMPTON MARTIN 4
BLAGDON 2
CHELWOOD 2
PUBLOW 1
WINFORD 2
DUNDRY 2
HIGH LITTLETON 1
CLUTTON 4
PENSFORD 1
WEST HARPTREE 5
Wiltshire
TROWBRIDGE, WILTS 3
SHERSTON, WILTS 7
KINGSSCOTE/CARLTON KINGS 3
FEAR/FILER FYLER
My grandmother's father and mother
John FEAR (1845 - 1920) B. Stanton Drew. D. Long Ashton. 75
John FEAR (1813 - 1856) B. Chellwood. D. Stanton Wick 43
m. Sarah FLOWER (1817 - 1875) B. Publow. 58
George FEAR (1795 - 1836) B. Stanton Drew. D. Stanton Drew. 41
m. Elizabeth ((Betty) Filer (1791 - 1876) B. Chelwood. D. Stanton Wick. 85
Father: Charles FILER (1774 - 1876) B. Chew Magna. Died ? Som. 102
Father: Joseph FYLER (1743 - 1810) B. Blagdon. D. Chew Magna. 67
Father: Samuel FILER (1710 - ?) B. Blagdon. D. ?
m. Mary Matilda OZEN (1714 - ?) B. Blagdon D. ?
FATHER: (Samuel) John FILER (1781 - 1876) B. Compton Martin. D. Cumberland County, New Jersey, USA. 95
m. Sarah WORTON (1696 - 1784) B. Som. - D. Ditto above. 88
Father: Samuel John FILER (FELIX) (1654 - 1736) B. Compton Martin. D. ? 82
Judeth Jane Barton
1575–1640
BIRTH ABT 1575 • Warminster, Wiltshire, England
DEATH ABT 1640 • Ottery St Mary, Devonshire, England
Tim Veater's 10th
great-grandmother
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