Thursday, 13 December 2018
Jacob Rees Mogg on the mess of Brexit (11Dec18)
Jacob Rees Mogg didn't create the mess. That was David Cameron in response to valid objections to the European political project. It appears that a majority of the UK agreed. The second referendum is predicated on the belief that the 'mess' will have changed the public's majority opinion, although of course it may have done the opposite. Rees Mogg's position and arguments are highly persuasive. But even the second vote went the opposite way, why should IT be followed or be more authoritative than the first. In football score terms, wouldn't it then be 'one all', and require a third to decide the issue? The EU clearly doesn't want the UK to leave and has made it as hard as possible. But worse, it appears the British Government doesn't want to leave either and has subtly allowed an EU strategy of delay and brinkmanship to facilitate and allow a worse constitutional position than before - effectively being bound to EU rules without having a say in them. That indeed is a Vassal State. Why should there be trading problems if it is clearly in the interests of the EU to prevent them as there is a 95 billion deficit in its favour? Why should Britain pay an unspecified 39 billion (at least) just to leave. This is is nothing short of obtaining money by menaces on the EU's part and succumbing to blackmail on that of the UK. Neither is honourable or defensible. Mrs May has been in charge of this negotiation and policy. She has made it her own to the extent that two Brexit Secretaries had to leave, a further nineteen Ministers have resigned and now 117 of her own side have made clear they want her to go. In such circumstances precedence suggests she should go but she has proved herself dogmatic and obstinate as well as foolish. She has not only demeaned herself and her office, she has demeaned the nation scuttling around European leaders with her supplications. She has become the political equivalent of the beggar that has returned to our streets, refusing to be moved on, never content but achieving nothing apart from humiliating herself and the rest of us. It really is time to have done with her and her shoddy 'deal'. veater ecosan
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Jacob Rees Mogg didn't create the mess. That was David Cameron in response to valid objections to the European political project. It appears that a majority of the UK agreed. The second referendum is predicated on the belief that the 'mess' will have changed the public's majority opinion, althoughof course it may have done the opposite. Rees Mogg's position and arguments are highly persuasive. But even the second vote went the opposite way, why should IT be followed or be more authorative than the first. In football score terms, wouldn't it then be 'one all', and require a third to decide the issue? The EU clearly doesn't want the UK to leave and has made it as hard as possible. But worse, it appears the British Government doesn't want to leave either and has subtly allowed an EU strategy of delay and brinkmanship to facilitate and allow a worse constitutional position than before - effectively being bound to EU rules without having a say in them. That indeed is a Vassal State. Why should there be trading problems if it is clearly in the interests of the EU to prevent them as there is a 95 billion deficit in its favour? Why should Britain pay an unspecified 39 billion (at least) just to leave. This is is nothing short of obtaining money by menaces on the EU's part and secumbing to blackmail on that of the UK. Neither is honourable or defendable. Mrs May has been in charge of this negotiation and policy. She has made it her own to the extent that two Brexit Secretaries had to leave, a further nineteen Ministers have resigned and now 117 of her own side have made clear they want her to go. In such circumstances precedence suggests she should go but she has proved herself dogmatic and obstinate as well as foolish. She has not only demeaned herself and her office, she has demeaned the nation scutting around European leaders with her supplications. She has become the political equivalent of the beggar that has returned to our streets, refusing to be moved on, never content but achieving nothing apart from humiliating herself and the rest of us. It really is time to have done with her and her shoddy 'deal'. veater ecosan
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Dangerous people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9T4dGAxtO0
Here’s what they were saying before the referendum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ipvk...
It goes without saying that there is an annual trade deficit with the EU of nearly a hundred BILLION plus arguably 10 to 20 more in contributions, the eu has and still is draining our corporate wealth. Whatever barriers raised by WTO would be reciprocal. This would undoubtedly boost British manufacturing because it would have a price advantage for the domestic market. German cars for example would be more expensive, but those manufactured here, e.g. Nissan and Honda would be relatively cheaper. Other industries would be similarly affected. We are packed with universities and economic graduates. Isn't it time they earned their keep and did something useful? Why two years ago did the government not commission relevant comparative no-deal trade studies so that we could be informed and prepared with the true situation. Perhaps they did and we just haven't been informed? At least then we would not have to rely on just BBC/CBI scare stories based on nothing other than hunches, of which that asset stripping Branson fellow is just an example. Could Mrs May have made a worse job of it than she has, compounded by the fact that either her ego or her hidden masters, will not let her quit to let someone more competent and actually believing on Brexit, take the reins.
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Leave Means Leave Rally LIVE from London. John Longworth, Richard Tice, Kate Hoey, Tim Martin, Graham Stringer, Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg will be speaking.
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The only way a general election would solve the issue is if there twere two candidates for each party, one pro Brexit one anti. Then it could be seen not only who came out on top to produce a parliament that reflected the will of the people, but give a true reflection of opinion overall. A second referendum that apparently is being discussed and planned for in the pro-EU Cabinet Office would merely muddy the waters unless it offers a multiple of choices, and then you have to decide what questions and what way of deciding the majority view. Such has been the biased fear mongering by the remain media, it is quite possible opinion has now swung in the opposite direction. If so how would Parliament interpret THAT - just throw in the towel and back to the status quo. And how would the large proportion still dedicated to leaving then feel and act? Would it only go to prove that public opinion is too fickle to trust and that majorities and referendums were no longer valid generally? It seems to me that having voted to leave, we should now do just that on WTO organisation terms and make a clean break not bogged down in 585 pages of conditions that do not even deal with the post- departure trading terms. If it is overwhelmingly in the interests of the EU members to trade with Britain, I am sure that would concentrate minds to agree better terms on the basis of two sovereign (?) negotiating political and cultural entities.
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