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Texas Southernland Springs Shooting Inconsistencies?

Some initial observations.




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I have some reservations about this next image:


PHOTO: A woman prays with a man after a fatal shooting at the First Baptist

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/texas-church-shooting-03-ap-jc-171105_4x3_992.jpg





Same woman? Another prayer group outside the Community Centre. 




A group gathers in prayer outside the Sutherland Springs Community Building. 

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Sutherland Springs residents gather at the Community Building after the shooting at nearby First Baptist church.

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/kstx/files/styles/medium/public/201711/3211.jpg


Members of the FBI Hazardous Evidence Response Team walk behind the First Baptist

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The alleged killer: Devin P. Kelley (26)


https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/

Devin Kelley: 5 Fast Facts 

You Need to Know

https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/



"Summer Caddel told ABC that her boyfriend, Johnnie Langendorff, “called her moments after the shooting at First Baptist Church and told her that he saw a gunfight between the shooter and a neighbor, who was returning fire.”" So that's not secondhand hearsay but third hand. Not I think the most reliable. Devin (so close to 'Devil') Kelly either shot himself or was shot by the 'neighbour', not now it seems the police. This and some of the images from the scene raise questions. But hey, who knows, the official version may be accurate and truthful? But after Las Vegas and New York, don't hold your breath.

https://gumshoenews.com/2017/11/06/sutherland-church-another-tragic-us-shooting-gun-debate/

https://www.weaselzippers.us/363065-breaking-devin-patrick-kelley-has-been-identified-as-texas-church-shooter/

The "abandoned" weapon:


https://www.weaselzippers.us/363065-breaking-devin-patrick-kelley-has-been-identified-as-texas-church-shooter/

Strange bed-fellows?

Jay Janner, Austin American-Statesman via AP

In this report Johnnie Langendorff's role is subtly different notice. In this he joins the anonymous stranger in the chase. In this version he does not witness it, he is clearly part of it!

"The local citizen and another man, Johnnie Langendorff, who happened to be driving past the church, pursued the suspect, who ran off the road and crashed and was found deceased in his vehicle. " 

This may not be significant but I am always interested in apparent contradictions in the narrative as they can easily point to something more important awry.

"Johnny Langendorff, who he said pursued a suspect of a deadly church shooting, waits to be picked up from the scene where the suspect was found dead near the intersection of FM 539 and Sandy Elm Road in Guadalupe County, Texas, Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017."

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/05/photos-church-shooting-sutherland-springs-texas/

Now check out the image of the abandoned vehicle. 

Langendorff says he came off the road because he couldn't make the sharp corner. In no way does the location of the vehicle support that. If anything it appears to have gone straight into the field. 

But very strangely there is no evidence by way of skid marks or damage to the verge or hedge to support that possibility either. 

Then we are told Kelly is found dead in his car - from what cause is not given. So you then have to reconcile the location of the vehicle to the death of its driver because a truck cannot drive on its own can it? Was he dead before the vehicle came to a halt or after it? 

Each needs a different explanation. 

Then we have this little problem: Kelly was said to drop his weapon as he left the church. If so with what weapon did he exchange fire? And if he did indeed shoot himself he also needed another weapon not so far reported. Watch this space!


http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/texas-church-shooting-suv2-ksat-171105_4x3_992.jpg


Note absence of any sign of route taken or reason why vehicle drove off road at this point.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000365009276.jpg?strip=all&w=960

Close up showing what appear to be bullet holes. Also note dented side panel and the marked dent under handle that could be explained by a lifting strap:




Close-up of opposite side suggesting damage to l front wing and bullet hole (?) to off side driver's window. No obvious sign of blood splatter from self administered shot to head (if that were the case). Front tyre appears flat



Not very convincing to me. So in this account he's driving past and sees the exchange of fire.

Then, "A citizen of the community" "Someone you knew?"

"No I didn't know him at all - he was just a member of the community."

So the obvious question: If he didn't know the man at all how could he be so sure he was a citizen of the community. Strange turn of phrase and in such a small community where virtually everyone must recognise one another?

Now BBC is reporting that, "He did what he had to do" NOT the gunman he gave a lift to.

Not only is Langendorff being made out to be the hero, he now appears to be suggesting he was Kelly's killer, although how it fits with how the vehicle ended up where it did is not at all clear.


http://tribunist.com/news/armed-neighbor-opened-fire-on-texas-mass-shooter-causing-him-to-drop-rifle-and-flee-scene/?utm_source=CDH






"A vehicle is hauled onto a flatbed truck where the suspect of a deadly church shooting was found dead near the intersection of FM 539 and Sandy Elm Road in Guadalupe County, near Sutherland Springs, Texas, Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017. (William Luther/Austin American-Statesman via AP)"

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/05/photos-church-shooting-sutherland-springs-texas/




The "required" HERO now apparently (via BBC News) accepting responsibility for death of Kelly. "I did what I had to do."

At: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwYd2kIZxk4

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Pyramids certainly in evidence in this dramatic image!

http://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/church_shooting_texas_24824173.jpg?w=620

So should I suggest a possible different scenario based on previous documented cases? I can certainly think of one! No. You must do the thinking for yourselves.

Population rise puts planet in peril, says Prince William

Prince William speaks at a gala night for the conservation charity Tusk at The Roundhouse in London last nightPETER NICHOLLS/GETTY IMAGES

The Duke of Cambridge has warned that overpopulation could have catastrophic effects for the planet unless steps are taken to reduce pressure on wildlife and habitats.

Ian Evans posing with the elephant he shot on safari Facebook/Helen Winters
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-farmer-ian-evans-photos-elephant-zebra-shot-dead-hunter-south-africa-a7201341.html

Prince William told the Tusk Trust’s charity gala last night that global wildlife populations had halved since he was born in 1982 and Africa’s human population was projected to double within 25 years.

He said: “We are going to have to work much harder, and think much deeper, if we are to ensure that human beings and the other species of animal with which we share this planet can continue to co-exist.”
Above reproduced from Sunday Times article here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/population-rise-puts-planet-in-peril-says-prince-william-tcgt65dgz

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/news_and_politics/photography/2015/11/indonesia_fire/151102_IndoFire_17.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

I think he's right. The facts rather speak for themselves. When you have nothing else to do, and your livelihood and future depends on children, and you do not have the means to stop having them, you just keep keep having them. But what is life if it is dominated by violence, poverty and scarcity? Hence the huge movements of population and desecration of the natural world. The last century has seen huge numbers of humans exterminated by war and disease, yet still the total number increases. Killing people is unethical and immoral but surely the greater good requires action by government, science and individuals, to at least stem growth and consumption patterns, base largely on oil, if humans and the planet are to survive? Central to this must be stable, self sufficient economies in those areas most under stress and from where people wish to escape. These issues have long been identified but clearly without much success.



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How many Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov Terrorists are there?

Is this the man who in a rented pickup truck mowed down pedestrians and cyclists along a busy bike path near the World Trade Center memorial on Tuesday, Oct. 31st, 2017, killing eight and injuring eleven? 

FIG. 1.

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Despite politicians and media accepting undiscriminating, the official story of the Halloween New York "terrorist" attack, I fear that apart from being formulaic and repetitive of previous doubtful events, it poses many enigmas and inconsistencies. Here I propose to pose and discuss just one: the identity of the stated killer on the basis of published images and official statements.

FIG. 2.  Image already circulating by 11.01 (!) the next day.

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From our experience of previous notorious events, I think we are justified to be wary when the identity, complete with photographs, are circulated within virtually minutes of the event. Those familiar with crime and criminals will attest that seldom do perpetrators make themselves available to police willingly. In fact the opposite is almost invariably the case. Criminals, particularly of serious crime, do not want to be caught and go to considerable length not to be. 

Nor as a rule do they make their images readily available either to police and media. In fact most crimes are committed by people who are never identified in any way by police, let alone caught and prosecuted. 

So when we witness a person, as in this case, immediately detained and identified complete with perfect photographs we should at least raise a question in our minds as to possible foreknowledge and planning by the authorities concerned.

The person arrested and immediately blamed for the event which it is claimed killed eight and injured eleven, was the 29 year old migrant and naturalised Uzbek, Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov. 

Within hours police and/or media were circulating an earlier and attractive image of his face. Of course as usual no explanation was given how this was obtained and published so quickly. 

The message was clear: this was undoubtedly the terrorist. The image used appears to be one of several which is also used for his Florida driving licence below and so was taken some time before the 13th (?) June, 2015 - if this image can be relied upon. Yet again we are told, useful identification documentation was discovered in the truck, a feature every professional terrorist ensures to assist police in case he is killed.

FIG. 3.

https://static.euronews.com/articles/399525/684x384_399525.jpg

Soon after another image of him was published, showing him to be 5 feet 7inches tall, presumably taken as part of the arrest process or incarceration process. 

In fact we are told this second undated photo was apparently provided by the St. Charles County Department of Corrections in St. Charles, Mo., via KMOV shows Sayfullo Saipov.  Officials, who were not authorised to discuss the investigation and spoke on the condition of anonymity, identified the attacker as Saipov. (St. Charles County, Mo. Department of Corrections/KMOV via AP)

These images which are reprinted below show what appears to be an identical face - note the mole on his right cheek - although he wears a much more serious, even anxious expression, presumably if we can rely on the information in the above paragraph, connected with his incarceration. It is impossible to say whether either of these two images also correlate with any of the other images, namely of a man running around waving what appear to be weapons, a man on the floor under arrest, or the artist impressions of him recovering from multiple shots in the court room. (Figs. 8 - 13 below)

Note in Fig. 8. he is seen with dark glasses and a very different hair line. He also usefully colour-coordinated with the Coca Cola machine and wears a T-shirt with the word "GAY" emblazoned only - clearly the preferred choice of a Muslim whether extreme or not!

What is slightly strange, is that in both images - the relaxed handsome young man with soft long hair (Fig. 6.), as compared to the paler, more strained, thinner features of what appears to be a slightly older man (in Figs. 4. & 5.) - an identical shirt is worn, suggesting despite appearances the two photographs were taken not that far apart. (Unless of course he only prefers one design or only has one shirt!)


FIG. 4.

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FIG.5.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171031212513-sayfullo-saipov-2016-mug-shot-super-169.jpg


FIG. 6.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/nintchdbpict000363889683.jpg?strip=all&w=825



However here I come on to a significant objection to an assumption that the faces of the men in these two sets of images, are in fact the same person, and everything turns on the anatomy of his left (on the right side of image) EAR!

Look carefully at the image in Fig. 6. immediately above this text. Using the anatomical terms from the diagram below, you will see the very pronounced antihelix stem that runs from theSuperior or posterior crus of helix to the base of the Cymba. It folds distinctly behind a very prominant Antitragus.

Now carefully compare this to the left ear in Fig. 4. Note how the Triangular fossa stands out and the Antihelix stem appears much narrower and quite different. Also the Antitragus appear different in size and shape. 

If these differences are real and not explained by tricks of light or camera angle, and after prolonged examination I cannot see how they could be, nor can I see how anatomical changes with time could account for them, then only one conclusion is possible. These are portraits of an almost identical but different person!

FIG. 7.


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Even less persuasive that we are necessarily dealing with one and the same person are the images 8 to 13. We will leave aside all the other issues and questions relating to who and how these images were taken and disseminated, or how he survived so many potentially deadly shots yet shows no physiological (particularly blood!) or emotional evidence of them in Figs. 11. and 12. below.

Although we must make due allowance for artistic accuracy, the image of the man in the wheelchair certainly appears much older and care worn than the 29 year old in the other photographs. Perhaps rather understandably, his recent activities have aged him considerably?  

FIG. 8.  Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov

https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2017_44/2211456/171101-sayfullo-saipov-1120p-aj_729b4e293757d22a4b3c245ca445a0bf.nbcnews-fp-360-360.jpg


FIG. 9.

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FIG. 10. 

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FIG. 11.


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FIG. 12.



FIG. 13.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict0003641180521.jpg?strip=all&w=960

**Guardian Headline: "Michael Fallon right to apologise for hand-on-knee incident, says PM."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/nintchdbpict000310968646.jpg?strip=all&w=960

My guess is that some Jiggery-pokery involved here.

Julia Hartley-Brewer is the person to reveal that Michael Fallon repeatedly touched her knee in 2002.

It is reported that the Prime Minister thinks it right that he has admitted the incident and apologised, though she singularly failed - the BBC reported - to give fulsome backing to the Minister's position, technically in the the gift of Her Majesty the Queen but on the recommendation of the PM.

Fallon may or may not be on borrowed time, especially if similar incidents were to emerge?

Hartley-Brewer has been a chat show host and journalist perhaps best, and most ironically remembered for her programme "Every Prime Minister Needs a Willie". (An examination of the relationship between Margaret Thatcher and Willie Whitelaw of course!)

She considers herself to be "an atheist and staunch and long-standing republican", besides of course a self publicist of some stature, who I have noticed finds it very difficult to remain silent when someone else is talking; presumably because she regards her own opinion to be so much better.

Wikipedia recounts all the media outlets she has starred in besides her own regular "Talk Radio" slot. Here are some of them:

Have I Got News for You;  BBC One's Question Time;  Radio 4's Any Questions;  Sky News;  BBC News Channel; BBC One's The One Show; ITV's Tonight show; Lorraine on ITV; This Morning on ITV; The Agenda on ITV; Sunday Politics on BBC1; BBC Radio 5 Live;  BBC Radio 4's Today and PM programmes;  Pointless Celebrities; LBC.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=julia+hartley+brewer+images&rlz=1C1ARAB_enGB463GB464&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1rt67-JvXAhVBbVAKHfBZDisQ7AkIQQ&biw=1280&bih=893#imgrc=poFAKNRNh9-0OM:

Such universal access to the media makes me rather nervous, not to say suspicious, as it demands something more than talent and expertise to be so widely used - as the rest of the population willing to share their opinions may have discovered.

What that ingredient is, is hard to pin down - shall we call it, for want of a better word, celebrity? A combination of good looks and charisma? Or is it possible more questionable facilitation is at work?

It would appear belatedly, she feels it necessary on a wave of opprobrium for inappropriate sexual behaviour - Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and apparently no less than "forty" MP's now in the firing line - to reveal how she was propositioned by the current Minister of Defence Michael Fallon some fifteen years ago.

We all know the practical consequences of such revelations for Weinstein and Spacey, not to mention previous notables in the world of politics and entertainment, and must wonder if the same will follow for Fallon?

Given Hartley-Brewer's profile, she can hardly claim naivety as to what the consequences might be, which rather raises the question, was she put up to it? Was she in fact used for some darker strategic purpose of dislodging Fallon from his role?

If she is in fact naive, informed opinion isn't, particularly in the light of revelations that foreign agencies, let alone domestic ones, are up to such tricks all the time. Examples in Trump's administration have recently come thick and fast. Mrs Clinton claims it was the Russian dirty tricks that did it for her, though others might think differently.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/file/getimagebyid/c31d6a22-5b17-4f3c-a3cf-8db5ab069cf9/56ca7428-1612-41d8-b809-c6e9ff8fe855/Image/560/313

In Britain we had the notorious case of Mossad agent Shai Masot aiming to 'take down' British Foreign Office Minister, Alan Duncan MP so similar in the case of Fallon is not implausible. Indeed no less than Mrs May was reported to have thrown herself on the mercy of her counterparts in Europe on the grounds she was surrounded by potentially fatal intrigue.

In passing it was said to be Michael Fallon's personal protection officers who fortuitously appeared just at the right moment to deliver the fatal shots to Khalid Masood - the "terror maniac" as one paper called him - this despite issues of being dressed differently and questions of why they were in the location they were at just the right moment.

Of course the hero of the hour on that occasion was MP Tobias Ellwood, who's military experience took precedence over ambulance crews and doctors in the resuscitation efforts applied to PC Keith Palmer.  Subsequently and quite properly he was appointed Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Defence People and Veterans.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/article_small/public/thumbnails/image/2017/03/22/17/tobias-ellwood.jpg

At the same time we have been assailed by grievous warnings of terrorist threats, particularly from those returning from Syria and related areas of conflict, from no less than Sue Hemming, head of the Crown Prosecution Service's (CPS) counter-terror division AND Andrew Parker, the director general of MI5. Such warnings can only be taken seriously.

Meanwhile, Rory Stewart, an international development minister a former Chair of the House of Commons Defence Select Committee, has been widely quoted as saying,  "the only way of dealing with British ISIS fighters in Syria "in almost every case" is to kill them," it must be assumed without trial or any due process.  Yet if the Question Time audience is anything to go by (on the 26th October, 2017) with hardly a whimper of dissent!

Incidentally, it may not be widely known, that Stewart's father was second-most senior officer in the British Secret Intelligence Service who died in 2015, after a long and distinguished career in the Diplomatic Service. Rory's 'apple' has not fallen far from the tree.

So to come full circle, can we treat Hartley-Brewer's delicate revelation at face, or is it indicative of something deeper and darker?

 

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01514/Rory-Stewart-2_1514230c.jpg

If I was a betting man - which I hasten to add I am not - I might be prepared to put a fiver on a Cabinet re-shuffle in the not too far far distant future, in which Mr Fallon is found a more suitable position, and we discover that a certain Mssrs Elwood or Stewart become available to take his place.

Meanwhile "Dame Julia Hartley-Brewer" has a certain ring to it - for services to journalism of course.

We shall have to wait and see.

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