Friday, 24 April 2020



Why lockdowns are the wrong policy - Swedish expert Prof. Johan Giesecke

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•Apr 17, 2020

Picture released 18 November 2007 shows Professor Johan Giesecke, Chief Scientist at the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) answering questions during a press conference in Stockholm.
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LOCKDOWN TV @  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY&lc=Ugz5G9YbtLZPCgycEKd4AaABAg.97jWunrri3X97orsCmeNcs



That was one of the more extraordinary interviews we have done here at UnHerd. Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness, why he thinks: - UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based - The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only - This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product” - The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better - The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact - The paper was very much too pessimistic - Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway - The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown - The results will eventually be similar for all countries - Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people. - The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1% - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available


mrhat 75

I love how straightforward his answers are!
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swikaharra

Really? Are you as North American by birth? If so that is how in the other part of the word people communicate, here they keep telling people byo speak your mind be assertive...be clear ...and then you get those nice pre-made answers ...even in a job interview you will get your feedback right away...here you never get a strait truthful answer
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Veater Ecosan

@swikaharra 'Straight' I think you meant. Although we are in 'straits' at the moment and I suppose 'social distancing' could be one - i.e. 'a narrow space between two points'. He He
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swikaharra

@Veater Ecosan yep straight, my phone does its own autocorrect
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Veater Ecosan

@swikaharra You are definitely auto-corrected. lol

dtz1000

Yes, Professor Death is very straightforward in his answers and Swedes are too cowardly or too trusting to challenge people like him.

Veater Ecosan

@dtz1000 It seems to me, he is speaking sense: protect the vulnerable, isolate the affected, recommend sensible hygienic practise and let everyone else get on with their normal life. Why? Because the alternative crashes the and .economy and by this and other consequences,
causes more fatalities than it prevents.

Veater Ecosan

Unfortunately this bio-lab created RNA entity called SARS Cov-II has a Fauci patented HIV spike added to the genome, the short and long term effects of which are hardly understood, but may be quite different to the classical influenza. There may even be a cover-up of this particular aspect. veaterecosan
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Veater Ecosan

"How will they get out of this?" A point I made weeks ago. British leaders have dug a hole but forgot a ladder.

MrCurry

Thank God for an interviewer who asks intelligent questions and reacts to what the interviewee said, when deciding the next Q to pose. Quite a difference to the TV news where the interviewer is following the direction of an editor in their earpiece and simply trying to start an argument to win ratings. Channel 4, ITV and BBC news editors and presenters should watch this video to find out what an interview should be. 👍👍
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Katharine Henegan

These guys, and the likes of UK Column, put our MSM to shame. This is calm, collected, and considered.

@Veater Ecosan...The problem is that this virus is a bioweapon and we know very little about its long term effects. Some say that it stays in the body and reactivates at a later date causing more organ damage or death. There's some reports of sterility in men caused by this virus, yet Professor Death here says nothing about it. The Chinese know more about it than anyone and they have taken extreme measures. So far Sweden has had 5 to 6 times more deaths per capita than Norway and Finland.
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Veater Ecosan
@dtz1000 There are many factors to death rate variance and anomalies may be difficult to explain. The Chinese situation is a case in point. Why for example was disease confined it seems to Wuhan, yet crops up almost immediately much further afield? If as infective as suggested, why did it not make its way through normal routes to adjacent provinces first? Incidentally, Chinese researchers now report at least 30 variations to the initial RNA entity which further complicates the issue.
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