tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post4592310896430022808..comments2023-09-20T07:12:07.398-07:00Comments on Veater Ecosan: "The World About Us": Veaterecosanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-55432113944130392922018-05-27T07:04:41.179-07:002018-05-27T07:04:41.179-07:00Ole Dammegard on Orlando: https://www.youtube.com/...Ole Dammegard on Orlando: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PsW9CXpTkVeaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-28640495200350712922016-07-02T11:57:11.940-07:002016-07-02T11:57:11.940-07:00No one shot until gone 5 am!!? http://www.globalre...No one shot until gone 5 am!!? http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-orlando-shootings-police-swat-team-involved-in-the-killings/5533620Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-11710665133398884922016-07-02T05:11:59.304-07:002016-07-02T05:11:59.304-07:00ORLANDO. BAD ACTING? Must watch. https://www.youtu...ORLANDO. BAD ACTING? Must watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9bi4EyfgwVeaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-77386533214853263102016-06-18T00:55:50.721-07:002016-06-18T00:55:50.721-07:00Tim,
We get that it is a mindset but seriously cat...Tim,<br />We get that it is a mindset but seriously catch a grip. You are seriously deluding yourself! Yes, The Guardian journalists were reporting on it from the start.<br /><br />For example. Did you even follow up the "Kate Lyons (earlier)" reference?<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/12/orlando-shooting-nightclub-pulse-gunman <br /><br />Now check the page source date and the date when Kate Lyons compiled it? Yes she was reporting on it from the 12th and also on her Twitter account.<br /><br />I bet that you will even confuse yourself over the Twitter times from Kate Lyons Twitter account? <br /><br />https://twitter.com/mskatelyons<br /><br />Now follow the links from the following. <br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/profile/kate-lyons<br /><br />The links are<br /><br />"12 June 2016 - Orlando Pulse club attack: gunman identified as police investigate motive - 12 June 2016"<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/12/orlando-shooting-nightclub-pulse-gunman<br /><br />"Orlando shooting - as it happened - 13 June 2016" <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates<br /><br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-2624782749365152802016-06-17T19:47:27.862-07:002016-06-17T19:47:27.862-07:00That is the closing comment after almost a day of ...That is the closing comment after almost a day of coverage, it is an update of what had come to light through the brush night. <br /><br />The first post being at about 8am Orlando time makes perfect sense of the police went in at 5am.<br /><br />There isn't an argument here, the oldest post is a day older than the latest post (which you seem to think is actually the oldest).<br /><br />You are reading the page backwards, please hurry up and correct your mistake.Matthew Dolmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681089965075766268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-18530028327656297862016-06-17T14:47:59.565-07:002016-06-17T14:47:59.565-07:00All the British news agencies/newspapers were on t...All the British news agencies/newspapers were on this story the SAME morning as the incident was being reported. That was Orlando time plus five hours. For your argument to be correct we would have to believe the Guardian didn't start doing this for a whole day on Monday morning, which is quite ridiculous. If so it would make the opening statement, "For those of you waking up to this story, here is a break down of what we know about the Orlando shooting so far." How can you argue that this would have been said more than 24 hours after the event, by which time the alleged circumstances had been well publicised?Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-64330623426192742282016-06-17T05:03:02.886-07:002016-06-17T05:03:02.886-07:00Tim,
Why do you just accept such claims without c...Tim, <br />Why do you just accept such claims without checking? <br /><br />That is obviously the date when the pages for the upcoming events/days news was created. Look shock horror! <br /><br />"Cubs rout Braves in series finale<br /><br />WRITTEN BY ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION POSTED: 06/11/2016, 08:00PM"<br /><br />http://atlanta.suntimes.com/atlanta-braves/7/78/308072/cubs-rout-braves-in-series-finale<br /><br />Click on the "More..." link and note the date.<br /><br />http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/cubs-rout-braves-in-series-finale/nrfLD/<br /><br />"Braves-Reds box score: 7 things to know<br /><br />WRITTEN BY ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION POSTED: 06/15/2016, 08:00PM"<br /><br />http://atlanta.suntimes.com/atlanta-braves/7/78/309189/braves-reds-box-score-7-things-to-know<br /><br />Click on the "More..." link and note the date.<br /><br />http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-reds-box-score-7-things-to-know/nrg67/<br /><br />Will you now be claiming that they are fixing or predicting sporting events? ;) <br /><br />What is so hard to accept that in preparation for the next days news that pages are "created" in advance and then updated?<br /><br />Check out the page source and check the "create date". <br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-87082074119607097692016-06-17T03:47:52.039-07:002016-06-17T03:47:52.039-07:00Tim,
You are still desperately confusing yourself....Tim,<br />You are still desperately confusing yourself. I get that it is a mindset, but check the page source for the link. It can't be any clearer or straight forward.<br /><br />For further proof go to the link and right click for the page source. Scroll down for the "published time". <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates<br /><br />It can't be any clearer! The published time and date for that link is 13th June 2016 at 06:34Z (Z equals Zulu which is an widely used alternative reference to Greenwich Mean Time). <br /><br />"published_time" content="2016-06-13T06:34:20.000Z"<br /><br />That is why you get the following BST time.<br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier) <br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-90272943060005368862016-06-17T03:43:31.301-07:002016-06-17T03:43:31.301-07:00Tim you are still confusing yourself. For further ...Tim you are still confusing yourself. For further proof go to the link and right click for the page source. Scroll down for the "published time". <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates<br /><br />It can't be any clearer! The published time and date for that link is 13th June 2016 at 06:34Z (Z equals Zulu which is an widely used alternative reference to Greenwich Mean Time). <br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier) <br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br /><br />Now can you see where you have confused yourself? It can't be any clearer! <br /><br />"published_time" content="2016-06-13T06:34:20.000Z"<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-78308764803101136782016-06-17T03:38:19.132-07:002016-06-17T03:38:19.132-07:00Tim, You are still confusing yourself and in doing...Tim, You are still confusing yourself and in doing so leading others astray. The "4 days" reference<br />is to when the event took place. The date in the html link also reflects the date of when the event took place. The times referenced in that link are from the 13th June. <br /><br />Go back to the link and check the date and time under the named of the reporters.<br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier) <br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br /><br />No go to the bottom of that heading posting and note the time "Updated at 7.34am BST"<br /><br />You are just confusing yourself as the times are from the 13th as per the <br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier) <br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br /><br />The same goes for the "Melbourne memorial for Orlando: Rowena Allen" reference. You failed to check the <br />date "By Vanbadham 13 June 2016, 14:35" <br /><br />Why not contact Bonnie Malkin, Alan Yuhas or Kate Lyons? <br /><br />https://twitter.com/bonniemalkin<br /><br />Alan Yuhas<br /><br />https://twitter.com/AlanYuhas<br /><br />Kate Lyons<br /><br />https://twitter.com/mskatelyons<br /><br />On both accounts you are trying to work back from BST times from the 13th June. It can't be any clearer but you<br />have failed to grasp it. <br /><br />For further proof go to the link and right click for the page source. Scroll down for the "published time". <br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates<br /><br />It can't be any clearer! The published time and date for that link is 13th June 2016 at 06:34Z (Z equals Zulu which is an widely used alternative reference to Greenwich Mean Time). <br /><br />"published_time" content="2016-06-13T06:34:20.000Z"<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-39954692632397901722016-06-17T03:37:13.424-07:002016-06-17T03:37:13.424-07:00The good news for you is that you are not as far o...The good news for you is that you are not as far off base as these guys:<br /><br />https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1468<br /><br />Who (for some inexplicable reason) seem to think that Google timestamps when it indexes every page and then uses that in it's search results page. Google picks up the dates from many sources, but all of them are supplied by the website. If there is a human error in the posting date (as it appears to be on the Chicago-Sun Times article) it will be passed on to Google.<br /><br />These guys have had this pointed out to them and responded by pointing out how little they actually know about the subject.Matthew Dolmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681089965075766268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-54347576502813478902016-06-17T03:31:22.709-07:002016-06-17T03:31:22.709-07:00You are very confused about this. On that page gu...You are very confused about this. On that page guardian page, looking at it today 17th June, the first (newest) post timestamped 07.33 is the one that you claim to be the fraudulent one. This is the latest post and came almost a day after the attack. The earliest post (found by clicking the "oldest" button) was posted at 12:56 pm a day before the 07.33 am post. This would have been at 07.56am in the Orlando and so makes sense.<br /><br />I hope that you intend to act with integrity and admit your mistake.Matthew Dolmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16681089965075766268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-2193253896001114372016-06-16T17:02:13.300-07:002016-06-16T17:02:13.300-07:00And now it looks like I am in very good (or bad de...And now it looks like I am in very good (or bad depending on your perspective) company here: https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/1468 reporting<br />"Google Search Engine Picked-Up ORLANDO ATTACK NEWS STORY 6 Hours BEFORE attack took place!<br /><br />Post by Newsroom - Jun 15, 2016 - 17"<br />"The Google news search engine picked-up a Chicago Sun-Times Network article about the attack at an Orlando nightclub 6 hours BEFORE the attack took place! The attack occurred around 2:00 AM eastern US time on Sunday, June 12. <br /><br />But the Chicago Sun-Times Network has the following story about the attack, dated 06/11/2016, 08:00PM"<br />(For full article see above)<br />Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-16196253374774889362016-06-16T16:14:53.800-07:002016-06-16T16:14:53.800-07:00Finally... perhaps I should refer you back to YOUR...Finally... perhaps I should refer you back to YOUR oversight. As you say ""Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier)<br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST". NOTE the "EARLIER". The date of the 13th was the updated version of the original on the previous day to which I referred. You surely do not think it would take the on-line Guardian to start reporting on such a massive news story? The confirmatory words that it was Sunday the 12th are "For those of you waking up to this story".Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-69633069051577494022016-06-16T15:48:30.463-07:002016-06-16T15:48:30.463-07:00As regards your second point, again I stand by my ...As regards your second point, again I stand by my original assessment. Please check for yourself here https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=176993&subid=8235966&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2<br />This is the updated version on the 16th June, 2016, but it refers to "Four days ago" i.e. the same morning as the event, Sunday 12th.<br />I quite agree the time stamp for the Melbourne statement is "By vanbadham 13 June 2016, 14:35" but you clearly missed my point. This item is EMBEDDED in the SUNDAY MORNING ARTICLE ON THE 12TH JUNE! <br />Melbourne, as I correctly stated is nine (9) hours AHEAD of BST (GMT+10) So not only must vanbadham's time/date stamp be wrong but the event described could not have physically occurred after 4.30 pm the SAME day. <br />By the same token this translates to 00.30 Orlando time, a total of 14 hrs (5+9) behind. This of course was BEFORE the assault started! My only explanation is that the event described by "vanbadham" was correctly (but not accurately) date stamped for the next day (13.6.16) but was circulated in error to the Guardian (and probably other outlets) one day early on the actual morning of the events. Of course if true, this is not the first time there have been reliable accounts of 'news planting' ahead of time. See: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/060307mediascripting.htm <br />A revisit to the details confirms my first assertion correct, though I must admit you had me worried there. (I like everyone else am quite capable of making a mistake) <br />Even were I wrong, it would still leave a big question mark over how Orlando was able to issue confirmed lists so quickly, when they did not gain access till 5.0 am, or indeed how they could have completed their autopsy and other investigations so quickly in such a complex and important case of mass murder, to reportedly allow the bodies to be released to the families within two days!Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-55462673728587089902016-06-16T14:57:22.693-07:002016-06-16T14:57:22.693-07:00Thanks for this Tom. I have checked again on the G...Thanks for this Tom. I have checked again on the Guardian report which as far as I can see supports and reiterates the main point I made. The report in Britain was early SUNDAY MORNING 12th June, 2016 - i.e. THE SAME DAY AS THE EVENT. Below is today's (16.6.16) up-dated page that I quoted previously, which you will see confirms the first report was 4 days previous, i.e. SUNDAY 12th.<br />"4d ago<br />07:33<br />What we know<br /><br />For those of you waking up to this story, here is a break down of what we know about the Orlando shooting so far.<br /><br />A gunman named as Omar Mateen killed 50 people and left 53 others injured, many seriously, in a 2am attack on LGBT nightclub the Pulse, in Orlando, Florida. After an hours-long standoff, police stormed the building, killed the gunman and rescued about 30 hostages.<br />The massacre is the worst mass shooting in American history, and like several recent mass shootings was committed by a man with an AR-15 assault rifle.<br />Barack Obama declared the attack “an act of terror and an act of hate”.<br />Authorities released the first names of victims, after notifying kin.The first fifteen people named were Edward Sotomayor Jr, Stanley Almodovar III, Luis Omar Ocasio-Capo, Juan Ramon Guerrero, Eric Ivan Ortiz-Rivera, Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, Luis S. Vielma, Kimberly Morris, Peter O. Gonzalez-Cruz, Luis S. Vielma, Kimberly Morris, Eddie Jamoldroy Justice, 3Darryl Roman Burt II, Deonka Deidra Drayton, Alejandro Barrios Martinez, Anthony Luis Laureanodisla, Jean Carlos Mendez Perez, Franky Jimmy Dejesus Velazquez.<br />Mateen was a US citizen from Fort Pierce, Florida. He was known to the FBI and the subject of two investigations into terror links in 2013 and 2014. Those investigations were deemed inconclusive and closed.<br />The shooter called 911 before the attack and spoke with an emergency operator in “general to the Islamic State”. While Isis has claimed responsibility for the attack US officials say there’s no immediate evidence linking the militant group to the massacre. <br />Mateen bought a long gun and a handgun legally in the last week, a spokesperson for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms said. Questions have been raised over why he was allowed to buy the weapons.<br />His ex-wife said Mateen was “obviously disturbed”and that he beat her and held her hostage during their short marriage.<br />Survivors and the families of victims recalled horrific stories of how the attack unfolded, and many waited in fear and anticipation to learn whether their loved ones were victims.<br />Donald Trump has postponed a rally in New Hampshire on Monday in the wake of the attacks. But he will press ahead with a speech on “the threats facing all Americans.”<br />Renewed debate over gun control has started, with Marco Rubio saying firearms legislation would not have prevented the attack.<br />Muslim American leaders, LGBT groups, Pope Francis and others condemned the horrific attack, and urged Americans to rally together. The FBI solicited the public for tips to aid the investigation, blood banks asked for donations around the US, and a fundraising campaign for victims’ medical bills raised $416,000. Authorities set up hotlines for information and campaigns for donations.<br />A US official told the Guardian the attack may have been a “massive hate crime”. Mateen’s father told NBC News that his son had become enraged by a gay couple kissing. Updated at 7.34 am BST" <br />You will see BST (British Summer) Time is used which is FIVE (5) hours ahead of Orlando time. This means that before 2.34 am the names and ages of at least fifteen (15) of dead victims had been confirmed by the Orlando authorities, this despite the fact that no one has suggested there were dead outside the building, and the police did not enter it until 5.00 am! <br />If you can provide an explanation for this, I should be happy to hear it.<br />Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-37900220354725915132016-06-16T13:06:24.411-07:002016-06-16T13:06:24.411-07:00It isn't really excellent work. You also faile...It isn't really excellent work. You also failed to check the date. Tim Veater is trying to work back British Summer Times from a Guardian article started on the 13th June. The attack took place on the 12 June. The journalists even dated the page. All the posting times are from the 13th. The "big problem" is that Tim didn't double check. <br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier) Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-61565907393074039852016-06-16T12:59:23.332-07:002016-06-16T12:59:23.332-07:00Epic fail. Why didn't you check the date in th...Epic fail. Why didn't you check the date in the Guardian link that you posted?<br /><br />https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates?page=with:block-575e4fc8e4b064f52e5fa19c#block-575e4fc8e4b064f52e5fa19c<br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier)<br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br /><br />Those British Summer Time dates that you were working with are from the 13th June. <br /><br />You didn't even check the date in the "Melbourne memorial for Orlando: Rowena Allen" but simply focused on the time. <br /><br />"By vanbadham 13 June 2016, 14:35"<br /><br />All you have done is tried to work times from an article posted first posted on the morning of the 13th June. Has it sunk in yet, a full day after the day of the shootings! <br /><br />Check the link again and note the date?<br /><br />"Bonnie Malkin (now) and Alan Yuhas and Kate Lyons (earlier)<br />Monday 13 June 2016 07.34 BST"<br />Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275465777931999496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-73712147751804356072016-06-16T03:52:19.594-07:002016-06-16T03:52:19.594-07:00For overview and parallels with other incidents of...For overview and parallels with other incidents of similar nature: <br />https://memoryholeblog.com/2016/06/14/orlando-nightclub-shooting-questions-and-anomalies-surround-worst-mass-shooting-in-u-s-history/Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-36185841474836494382016-06-15T04:23:50.568-07:002016-06-15T04:23:50.568-07:00Appreciated, John, thanks.Appreciated, John, thanks.Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-19874066143290385632016-06-15T01:21:35.090-07:002016-06-15T01:21:35.090-07:00Excellent and informative work.Excellent and informative work.John Hecklerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09859745253879653259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-77763191088000170612016-06-14T04:23:40.343-07:002016-06-14T04:23:40.343-07:00https://www.facebook.com/NewWorldOutlawzKilluminat...https://www.facebook.com/NewWorldOutlawzKilluminati/videos/1053620641372557/Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-33125482798189497092016-06-13T13:26:12.904-07:002016-06-13T13:26:12.904-07:00As to an inside view of the CIA see: https://www.f...As to an inside view of the CIA see: https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/744058605735649/Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-81994640875797971912016-06-13T13:25:30.974-07:002016-06-13T13:25:30.974-07:00Compare and contrast the behaviour, body language ...Compare and contrast the behaviour, body language and emotional response to apparently witnessing a hundred people either shot dead or wounded here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkO1kyaCirc with this at 16:00 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5AkFlAeCHE. Who would you say appears the more genuine?Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-863336524369281662.post-17505369090149325582016-06-13T09:54:41.050-07:002016-06-13T09:54:41.050-07:00The mainstream take (probably repeated by an outle...The mainstream take (probably repeated by an outlet near you. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-shooting.html?_r=0Veaterecosanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12641952897751927118noreply@blogger.com